madbradd Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Untill "we" hear from them, I'm not renewing my membership. I actually asked my Club what their stance was on this - this was really to gauge whether the Club could get a bad rep for members not paying CSA affiliation. Their response was essentially that they could not issue a request to members to not pay. I've done a little reading between the lines there and am also not renewing until we see some sort of change. Wannabe 1
Andrew Steer Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 apparantly a damming report from the csa finance committee who recommends that MB be removed - big meeting coming up to decide but MB has a lot of support from the commission disciplines. they should all go. exco , manangment committee and the full time staff. start from scratch.Easy to say... but there are some good and competent people there and most of these jobs are not jobs you or I would necessarily do. I agree though that drastic changes are required, but again - easier said than done. Where CSA is now has been a long process, and lots of bad decisions have gotten them here... they've been looted by staff, run numerous failed events, been sued, pissed off many of their bigger cash cows, and probably most importantly they still haven't come up with anything resembling a solid regular income stream. Why couldn't they have organised a big road race, a series, a national mtb series, the Cape Epic etc??? The sport has absolutely boomed the last 15 years, CSA somehow has transpired to completely miss the boat TALUS, Tatt and gogo@ 3
kosmonooit Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 I don't think its CSA's business to be organising any events.
City Cycling Athletic Club Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Easy to say... but there are some good and competent people there and most of these jobs are not jobs you or I would necessarily do. I agree though that drastic changes are required, but again - easier said than done. Where CSA is now has been a long process, and lots of bad decisions have gotten them here... they've been looted by staff, run numerous failed events, been sued, pissed off many of their bigger cash cows, and probably most importantly they still haven't come up with anything resembling a solid regular income stream. Why couldn't they have organised a big road race, a series, a national mtb series, the Cape Epic etc??? The sport has absolutely boomed the last 15 years, CSA somehow has transpired to completely miss the boatthe solid income stream is licensing and rider levies but they leave the collection of this up to volunteers in the provinces and districts. same with licensing/sanctioning - they urge organisers to sanction the event which means all riders must be licensed - who polices this? not csa, not the organiser, they want province/district volunteers to do this. not even the biggest mtb race in the world checked licenses until very recently and then only at the insistance of the 'little' district. so imagine CSA organising a race - remember they are affiliated to UCI - 1st up R150K for the rights to host a uci accredited race, thats just the start (pardon the pun) . the finish area will set them back another R100K in fencing and finish line gantry. there lots of good , well meaning and passionate people in CSA but i'm sorry the leadership has made too many COSTLY mistakes to keep them there. Andrew Steer 1
Stretch Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 the solid income stream is licensing and rider levies but they leave the collection of this up to volunteers in the provinces and districts. same with licensing/sanctioning - they urge organisers to sanction the event which means all riders must be licensed - who polices this? not csa, not the organiser, they want province/district volunteers to do this. not even the biggest mtb race in the world checked licenses until very recently and then only at the insistance of the 'little' district. so imagine CSA organising a race - remember they are affiliated to UCI - 1st up R150K for the rights to host a uci accredited race, thats just the start (pardon the pun) . the finish area will set them back another R100K in fencing and finish line gantry. there lots of good , well meaning and passionate people in CSA but i'm sorry the leadership has made too many COSTLY mistakes to keep them there. The BC Bike Race has nothing to do with CSA RossW 1
Andrew Steer Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 I don't think its CSA's business to be organising any events.It might not be necessary if all the other boxes are being ticked proficiently, but just think about the income streams for other sports. Rugby, Cricket, Soccer etc... national body has a strong hold on the provincial comps etc There isn't much difference in my eyes between paying a race entry or paying for a ticket in a stadium? Just me 2 cents though, they need all the help they can get money wise... but like I said, they've probably already missed the boat.
Pure Savage Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 https://www.onyourbike.bike/single-post/2017/07/13/Auditors-flag-CSAs-unlawful-acts Well thats awkward, reportable irregularity. Thats really, really bad. Trading while insolvent and using funds which were specific purpose for something else. Had to be reported as unlawful acts. Even less reason to pay CSA license. Patchelicious, Andrew Steer, Frosty and 3 others 6
Edgar Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 https://www.onyourbike.bike/single-post/2017/07/13/Auditors-flag-CSAs-unlawful-acts Well thats awkward, reportable irregularity. Thats really, really bad. Trading while insolvent and using funds which were specific purpose for something else. Had to be reported as unlawful acts. Even less reason to pay CSA license. Cross Subsidization? Is that even a real thing?
Pure Savage Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Cross Subsidization? Is that even a real thing? Take money for one thing, spend it on salaries... etc Get told, you make use this money for THIS event, meh, go and spend it on something else. Andrew Steer 1
Andrew Steer Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Take money for one thing, spend it on salaries... etc Get told, you make use this money for THIS event, meh, go and spend it on something else.Exactly...
Bateleur1 Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Take money for one thing, spend it on salaries... etc Get told, you make use this money for THIS event, meh, go and spend it on something else. Like getting money for a dairy farm and spending it on a wedding. Very similar TALUS, Gen, J Wakefield and 5 others 8
Pure Savage Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Like getting money for a dairy farm and spending it on a wedding. Very similar - Edit - still want my job. Edited July 14, 2017 by Pure Savage Wannabe and Bateleur1 2
slabs Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Interesting that despite the tough times according to CSA, PPA are still cash flush.
Patchelicious Posted July 14, 2017 Author Posted July 14, 2017 Interesting that despite the tough times according to CSA, PPA are still cash flush.Think thats a problem in its own right. One body spends too much, the other a little too little.... The baby bears porridge was just right. Wannabe and Cargyrl 2
Pure Savage Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Interesting that despite the tough times according to CSA, PPA are still cash flush.One is financially prudent and run correctly, organises events and actually does stuff to further cyclists rights in SA. The other holds meetings about meetings. johannrissik, Tatt and Hairy 3
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