Coronavirus lockdown and exercising outdoors

[Robbie Stewart]

And? She went out and deliberately chose something far away from her residence and hoped she wouldn't get caught out. 

 

Why shouldn't she have been fined?

 

EDIT: Well, COCT is a single district. Therefore she was within her rights, in terms of the regulations, and I'm now of hte opinion that she could have that squashed. 

 

 

I find it rather amusing how people abusing the law knowingly then put themselves as victims of the police whose job is to enforce the said laws... Like that idiot paddling on a bench in muizenberg...

 

 

to clarify. I am not moaning at what she did, whether it was right or wrong. I am saying that these days folks are getting roughed up by the cops. I should perhaps have put the two points in separate posts but I was too lazy and typing this while sitting in a Teams meeting that was droning on and on and on...

 

She must've known what she did was not legal, she chanced it, she got caught. End van prent. She must now pay the fine. 

 

I am not saying the cops were wrong in this instance.

 

BUT...arresting a parent who collected his toddler of the beach, or playing tug of war with a dad and his child, just to enforce lockdown regulations. THAT is the police state I am referring to.

 

I did a drive from Sunningdale to Klapmust on Lockdown day 1 to go buy some meat. I knew I was probably in the wrong, but I decided to chance it. It worked, that time. I have refused to do anything remotely as stupid since. I have only been to the shops once since. I have done about 5 rides since we are allowed. Twice I ventured slightly out of my ring by less than a kilometer.

[Kranswurm]

to clarify. I am not moaning at what she did, whether it was right or wrong. I am saying that these days folks are getting roughed up by the cops. I should perhaps have put the two points in separate posts but I was too lazy and typing this while sitting in a Teams meeting that was droning on and on and on...

 

She must've known what she did was not legal, she chanced it, she got caught. End van prent. She must now pay the fine. 

 

I am not saying the cops were wrong in this instance.

 

BUT...arresting a parent who collected his toddler of the beach, or playing tug of war with a dad and his child, just to enforce lockdown regulations. THAT is the police state I am referring to.

 

I did a drive from Sunningdale to Klapmust on Lockdown day 1 to go buy some meat. I knew I was probably in the wrong, but I decided to chance it. It worked, that time. I have refused to do anything remotely as stupid since. I have only been to the shops once since. I have done about 5 rides since we are allowed. Twice I ventured slightly out of my ring by less than a kilometer.

You should have been arrested,roughed up,thrown in the van,spent a couple of nights in choekie and fined R5K.End van prent.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

BUT...arresting a parent who collected his toddler of the beach, or playing tug of war with a dad and his child, just to enforce lockdown regulations. THAT is the police state I am referring to.

 

I'm 100% in agreement with you there. 

[RocknRolla]

"end van prent" Lol, what a gem, haven't heard that in a while.

[DieselnDust]

And? She went out and deliberately chose something far away from her residence and hoped she wouldn't get caught out. 

 

Why shouldn't she have been fined?

 

EDIT: Well, COCT is a single district. Therefore she was within her rights, in terms of the regulations, and I'm now of hte opinion that she could have that squashed. 

 

 

Exactly. Extreme overreaching by authorities trying to bully the public into respecting them. 

That fine will get thrown out of court  as will may others so the revenue supplementation isn't going to work

[DieselnDust]

BTW.

 

I coined the phrase perimeter of death/ perimeter of treason which I see is now being widely used on this site.

 

My pleasure.

 

 

So lets abbreviate it to PoT. Then. I went out for my PoT has a good odour

[MORNE]

Well my new standard 50km route is out of Obz onto main road - up past SACS and Forries - down paradise road (I'm 80m outside my 5k at this point) back into Claremont, past Newlands cricket ground onto Campground to smash it to Old Church street where I turn right and then up Roodebloem, down through Walmer Estate, District 6, back along main road and up mountain road into Walmer estate again and down Roodebloem, Salt River, Voortrekker Road, Pinelands, Jan Smuts past Langa and then Sportsman's Rondebosch, out through Newlands again, Western Province cricket club, and back to Obz - 50km and about 500m ascent. 

 

Not too many other zombies. If I feel nervous about the full Jan Smuts loop, I can smash straight down Forest drive.

 

 

Thanks again for this      

Did most of it this morning and managed 40km in about 90 minutes. I skipped Voortrekker and went into pinelands via Forest Rd.

Pretty pleasant ride...except for main road going to newlands, but even that wasn't too bad due to the lack of traffic and parked cars at the moment. 

[TNT1]

It's relatively easy for me.

 

They say 5 kms, I stick within in. Why? because for now it minimizes risk.

 

Ride with a form of identification (Id card in my case) 

 

How does 5km radius from home minimise risk?

 

Not born in this country, so can't get ID card. Even so, my fiancee has ID card, her address is not on it.

[RocknRolla]

How does 5km radius from home minimise risk?

 

Not born in this country, so can't get ID card. Even so, my fiancee has ID card, her address is not on it.

 

 

From a legal point of view, regarding insurance and medical aid.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

How does 5km radius from home minimise risk?

 

Not born in this country, so can't get ID card. Even so, my fiancee has ID card, her address is not on it.

Someone said yes? To you?! 

.

 

Congratulations, man. Really. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

From a legal point of view, regarding insurance and medical aid.

Shouldn't affect it at all. Med aid won't be affected one jot, that's for certain. Vehicle insurance afaik shouldn't either, but I can't say for certain on that side.  

[MORNE]

How does 5km radius from home minimise risk?

 

Not born in this country, so can't get ID card. Even so, my fiancee has ID card, her address is not on it.

not that it really matters, but for interest sake... they can see the address you used to apply for it by scanning the barcode on either your I.D or drivers licence. Whether that is current or not is obviously up to you. Thats why you take proof of residence to apply/renew....also why the old "i forgot my licence at home " excuse doesn't work anymore...they just check it against your I.D number now to see if you actually have one or not....then either gooi you in the van or give you a R500 fine. 

[TNT1]

not that it really matters, but for interest sake... they can see the address you used to apply for it by scanning the barcode on either your I.D or drivers licence. Whether that is current or not is obviously up to you. Thats why you take proof of residence to apply/renew....also why the old "i forgot my licence at home " excuse doesn't work anymore...they just check it against your I.D number now to see if you actually have one or not....then either gooi you in the van or give you a R500 fine. 

I don't need a license to ride a bicycle.

 

Renew my ID book? Since when now do I need to do that?

[DieselnDust]

Sorry for being so vociferous. Not aimed at you specifically. And I suppose we're all guilty of inadvertently accepting something that is not true to be the truth and going with that.

 

I predict that when this all ends there's going to be a blanket amnesty for these fines that the police hand out for rules that they seem to make up on the fly

 

 

I wonder if some of these "ignorant" cops are police reservists who are not completely familiar with the laws?

[Mudsimus]

I don't need a license to ride a bicycle.

 

Renew my ID book? Since when now do I need to do that?

I replaced both my ID and license this year, no one asked me for proof of address during the process.

[TNT1]

I wonder if some of these "ignorant" cops are police reservists who are not completely familiar with the laws?

I dunno. I sit on the CPF EXCO, and the mis-communication from national through provincial to the station commander level is astounding. I'm not surprised in any way that the cop on the street has a different understanding/interpretation of the regulations as to what is said at national level, as so much is distorted/changed as it slips down the chain of command. Coupled to the fact that everyone above the rank of captain will not do a thing without it being a written order means that between lack of action and lack of communication, the broken-telephone effect is immense.