Coronavirus lockdown and exercising outdoors

[MORNE]

I agree completely with your points.

 

This one, however, how do you prove you are in the circle of death (even if you are) if you are stopped whilst out riding? There's no requirement (yet) to carry dompas style of proof of who and what you are is there?

i do lol.

I ride with utility bill just incase. Not gonna try and explain anything to an over zealous cop or worse....Mr #InTheArmyNow in a bad mood one morning...even though i know the chances are near f-all.

 

edit: then again....if you own anything in the lines of Acrobat Pro you can change your address on your utility bill or bank statements to whatever you want I guess.

if you do a few and chain your ride together the right way and keep tabs of where you are you would be able to prove you live just about anywhere depending on how far and how fast you can ride in 3 hours  and also how close you are to any suburb at any given time haha. Sorry...my inner criminal getting excited  

[Robbie Stewart]

hahaha I wanted to do 100 on the first day of level 4 but started 5 mins late and only managed to do 82k after 2h40 mins.. so I decided to rush home and use the last mins of freedom to walk my baby in a pram before being locked up again

 

 

Definitely not easy to do loops at 33+km/h in an urban area like table view, especially since the better rolling places are over crowded with runners and mountainbikers

..are you calling me fat?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I heard of a woman who lives in the Northern 'burbs in Cape Town who decided to go shop at the Waterfront. When she had done all she needed, and left for home she got stopped at the WF exit by a road block. Cop asks her where she lives and what she was up to. She replied that she was out doing a grocery run, and she lives in Durbanville. He informs her according to lockdown regulations she must shop at the closest store to her, and this is clearly not the closest store to Durbanville. He then proceeded to fine her R3000.00

 

I have reached the opinion that we are now living in a police state, and trying to reason with the thugs police will likely get you nowhere other than a fat fine at best, or a criminal record at worst. Chancing it is just not worth it i.m.o.

And? She went out and deliberately chose something far away from her residence and hoped she wouldn't get caught out. 

 

Why shouldn't she have been fined?

 

EDIT: Well, COCT is a single district. Therefore she was within her rights, in terms of the regulations, and I'm now of hte opinion that she could have that squashed. 

[Jbr]

I heard of a woman who lives in the Northern 'burbs in Cape Town who decided to go shop at the Waterfront. When she had done all she needed, and left for home she got stopped at the WF exit by a road block. Cop asks her where she lives and what she was up to. She replied that she was out doing a grocery run, and she lives in Durbanville. He informs her according to lockdown regulations she must shop at the closest store to her, and this is clearly not the closest store to Durbanville. He then proceeded to fine her R3000.00

 

I have reached the opinion that we are now living in a police state, and trying to reason with the thugs police will likely get you nowhere other than a fat fine at best, or a criminal record at worst. Chancing it is just not worth it i.m.o.

I find it rather amusing how people abusing the law knowingly then put themselves as victims of the police whose job is to enforce the said laws... Like that idiot paddling on a bench in muizenberg...

[Vetplant]

I agree completely with your points.

 

This one, however, how do you prove you are in the circle of death (even if you are) if you are stopped whilst out riding? There's no requirement (yet) to carry dompas style of proof of who and what you are is there?

If you are within 5km, they can easily follow you to your home and see how you access your premises via key or remote.

 

The other example mentioned earlier of a utility bill in the back-pocket is a good suggestion that I will employ going forward.

[Jbr]

..are you calling me fat?

not sure what you mean ? not calling anyone fat   

 

Just can't ride at consistent pace when you constantly have to look behind your shoulder if there's a car or bus before overtaking  the runners / mountainbikers  Plus the damn runners refuse to wear a mask, I don't want to be peddling in their slipstream of death

[TNT1]

1.If you are within 5km, they can easily follow you to your home and see how you access your premises via key or remote.

 

2.The other example mentioned earlier of a utility bill in the back-pocket is a good suggestion that I will employ going forward.

1. I guess so.

2. I'm not willing supporting the abuse of power, so I'll not be doing that.

[ChrisF]

Someone on their soap box in 5....4....3....

 

Personally I've not ridden beyond the perimeter of doom but I have been to Constantia mall in my car and I'd rate my chances of contracting or transmitting the killer virus to be substantially higher swanning around there than doing a nice ride to Kommetjie and back.

 

You called ?

 

"Rules" vs "reality" vs "general behaviour" .....

 

 

YES - "Rules" state you may go buy clothes in a mall, and I AGREE 100% that the malls seems like a BAD idea !!  During all of my not-window-shopping last week the trip into Game was the scariest ... I actually back-tracked more than once to keep distance to others ...

 

 

IDEALLY - the "reality" of SOLO rides is that it SHOULD be safe .... the emphasis on the "SOLO", not the distance

 

 

SADLY - the "general behaviour" of cyclists, runners and dog walkers is that so many are NOT capable op keeping a safe distance, groups of 4 hugging together sipping a mid ride coffee ...

 

pity, as this latter group adds justification to the 'stupid' rules ... 

 

 

 

For those still in some form of denial .... I&J confirmed today that 42 of their staff at one facility is Covid positive !!!  

 

A friend was admitted to ICU last night, being tested Covid positive - diabetic, high blood pressure ... He is the second person in their workplace to test positive in the last couple of days ... Now they are testing their whole shift ...

 

The Western Cape certainly is now beginning to see this thing kick in ....

 

 

 

PS - I am that one guy that actually stays inside my 5km radius.  Such a nice and tempting route if I could push it to 6km .... but not doing it.  NOT preaching to others about their distance, just doing my bit.

[TNT1]

I find it rather amusing how people abusing the law knowingly then put themselves as victims of the police whose job is to enforce the said laws... Like that idiot paddling on a bench in muizenberg...

Well, yes and no.

 

I find it amusing that people think it's ok that we've all (every single South African) been criminalised for walking out our own front doors.

[Pieter-za]

And? She went out and deliberately chose something far away from her residence and hoped she wouldn't get caught out. 

 

Why shouldn't she have been fined?

What is the gazetted wording for this transgression?

[Duane_Bosch]

Sigh. That didn't take long.

 

How is the view up there from your high horse on the moral high ground Myles and JBR?

[Jbr]

Well, yes and no.

 

I find it amusing that people think it's ok that we've all (every single South African) been criminalised for walking out our own front doors.

It is ok for most of the modern countries in the world, but somehow a few know-it-all from facebook think South Africa should treat this crisis like Sweden where people are disciplined enough to follow the most basic rules like wearing a mask, when experience showed after 2 days of level 4 that simple thing seems to be an unbearable burden for most people outside between 6 and 9.

 

You can't think you know better than the rules and only follow the ones that you think are worth it AND expect your government to treat you like a responsible person. That is why I believe both my birth country (France) and now my home country (SA) have no other options than lockdown or a high deathtoll, just because people constantly think the rules don't apply to them or they are too smart to follow them

[Vetplant]

Well, yes and no.

 

I find it amusing that people think it's ok that we've all (every single South African) been criminalised for walking out our own front doors.

I don't know how you get people to play by the guidelines. Making it a criminal offence is surely not the holy grail answer. It might work to scare middle class suburbia, but what about the rest? 

 

There was a Taxi driver that just continued driving people around after receiving his positive test result back, he is apparently being charged with attempted murder or something similar.

 

Allot of the people in our society are muppets and I don't know how you get them to be more considerate towards the well-being of others. Even if you do decide to use laws, I am unsure how effective that will be.

[ChrisF]

i do lol.

I ride with utility bill just incase. Not gonna try and explain anything to an over zealous cop or worse.... 

 

I took a photo of my 5km radius with my phone.

 

I had a utility bill with me ... which got SOAKED on my second ride ... 

[Duane_Bosch]

BTW.

 

I coined the phrase perimeter of death/ perimeter of treason which I see is now being widely used on this site.

 

My pleasure.

[MORNE]

It is ok for most of the modern countries in the world, but somehow a few know-it-all from facebook think South Africa should treat this crisis like Sweden where people are disciplined enough to follow the most basic rules like wearing a mask, when experience showed after 2 days of level 4 that simple thing seems to be an unbearable burden for most people outside between 6 and 9.

 

You can't think you know better than the rules and only follow the ones that you think are worth it AND expect your government to treat you like a responsible person. That is why I believe both my birth country (France) and now my home country (SA) have no other options than lockdown or a high deathtoll, just because people constantly think the rules don't apply to them or they are too smart to follow them