Downhill Riders,including current SA National Champ, overlooked for World Champs

[Headshot]

Sincerely hoping that all you "DH Bro" disparaging commentators are proved wrong and that the very well organized WC DH committee and others manage to overturn the silly CSA decision.

 

DH racers from SA face far bigger hurdles than our XCO racers to compete overseas. Prove me wrong. 

[Jewbacca]

Wrong thread

 

Sorry

Edited July 16, 2024 by Jewbacca

[DieselnDust]

11 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Sincerely hoping that all you "DH Bro" disparaging commentators are proved wrong and that the very well organized WC DH committee and others manage to overturn the silly CSA decision.

 

DH racers from SA face far bigger hurdles than our XCO racers to compete overseas. Prove me wrong. 

Seriously....?

I'd love to support a campaign to get the guys selected but still there's only plucking heart strings and no substance to the underlying issue of why they couldn't earn enough points to qualify. When I look at the event criteria table they all only scored 2 points between National series event(s), National Champs and UCI WCups Qualifying. I'm a numbers guy and 2 does not equal 3. Why is there a point short?

Is the answer too embarrassing because it appears very simple and straight forward from where I'm sitting.

I just read CSA's response on social media and it seems reasonable and balanced and talks to the facts as the numbers present them. So where's the disconnect?

Edited July 16, 2024 by DieselnDust

[Jewbacca]

Just now, BaGearA said:

you are very right here 

 

 

 

but this is for world champs although i don't know if others are bleeding their ideas over 

 

 

....DH is not Olympic for those that didn't know 

I'll edit my rant 

Oops

[PregoRoll]

15 minutes ago, Headshot said:

You're inferring that a lack of funding is the issue when that hasn't been given as the reason. Again, self-funded riders.

Go read the response I was replying to. The funding was referring to the "costs to CSA are just the stamp" which is false. 

for the most part, riders that go to WC and Olympics are self funded. thats not the issue here. 

The issue everyone is bleeting about is the lack of riders from the DH category. Which with all due respect to the speed merchants we have in SA, they arent at the level of WC riders. Why should CSA be expected to spread themselves thin for an opportunity for someone to say "I rode at WC"? I certainly didnt get that chance when I went overseas with the SA Team for road. It was down to the best riders who could get there. Simple. 

There is no Privateer category at World Champs... but there is one at the World Cup. I wonder if that is so the Privateers can have a chance to earn enough UCI points to be up for selection for the World Champs squad? 

 

Here is a small snippet from the requirements, let me know who of the riders in SA could achieve this, at the most competitive DH race of the year. 

33.2.1. Riders meeting standards and results capable of achieving the following results at the 2024 UCI World Championships.

33.2.1.1. Elite Men – Top 15

33.2.1.2. Elite Women – Top 10

33.2.1.3. Junior Men – Top 20

33.2.1.4. Junior Women – Top 10

 

Anyway. im done with this thread 

[SwissVan]

10 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Sincerely hoping that all you "DH Bro" disparaging commentators are proved wrong and that the very well organized WC DH committee and others manage to overturn the silly CSA decision.

 

DH racers from SA face far bigger hurdles than our XCO racers to compete overseas. Prove me wrong. 

I R confused by the bit n black

Could you explain why?

[Shebeen]

13 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

but of the elites only Greg met the qualifying criteria...

Your question is if we have 5 slots why can't we send 5 soemajus kanala, even though the others didn't qualify. So you're advocating for a concession? Then this should apply to other disciplines?

Selection criteria unfair? How so? 

IIRC, last year those that went to WC all met the qualifying criteria. So what did they not do in 2024 that got them excluded? That isn't being brought up.

The thread is sort of morphing into a #letstrashCSAagain thread but I'm not sold on the narrative yet

 

4 minutes ago, PregoRoll said:

Go read the response I was replying to. The funding was referring to the "costs to CSA are just the stamp" which is false. 

The issue everyone is bleeting about is the lack of riders from the DH category. Which with all due respect to the speed merchants we have in SA, they arent at the level of WC riders. Why should CSA be expected to spread themselves thin for an opportunity for someone to say "I rode at WC"? I certainly didnt get that chance when I went overseas with the SA Team for road. It was down to the best riders who could get there. Simple. 

 

 

Anyway. im done with this thread 

that was me, enlighten us further then.

You're a former road elite rider, apologies if that was common knowledge? Welcome, your insight is encouraged (especially from couch experts like myself).

[Headshot]

2 minutes ago, SwissVan said:

I R confused by the bit n black

Could you explain why?

I put the ball in your court ...

[Headshot]

8 minutes ago, PregoRoll said:

Go read the response I was replying to. The funding was referring to the "costs to CSA are just the stamp" which is false. 

for the most part, riders that go to WC and Olympics are self funded. thats not the issue here. 

The issue everyone is bleeting about is the lack of riders from the DH category. Which with all due respect to the speed merchants we have in SA, they arent at the level of WC riders. Why should CSA be expected to spread themselves thin for an opportunity for someone to say "I rode at WC"? I certainly didnt get that chance when I went overseas with the SA Team for road. It was down to the best riders who could get there. Simple. 

There is no Privateer category at World Champs... but there is one at the World Cup. I wonder if that is so the Privateers can have a chance to earn enough UCI points to be up for selection for the World Champs squad? 

 

Here is a small snippet from the requirements, let me know who of the riders in SA could achieve this, at the most competitive DH race of the year. 

33.2.1. Riders meeting standards and results capable of achieving the following results at the 2024 UCI World Championships.

33.2.1.1. Elite Men – Top 15

33.2.1.2. Elite Women – Top 10

33.2.1.3. Junior Men – Top 20

33.2.1.4. Junior Women – Top 10

 

Anyway. im done with this thread 

They are at the level or better than many WC riders. This is a sport where only 30 make the finals.  Just as you were the best SA had to offer on the road, so these guys are the best SA has to offer in DH. By the way, where did you come in the world champs?

[PregoRoll]

4 minutes ago, Headshot said:

They are at the level or better than many WC riders. This is a sport where only 30 make the finals.  Just as you were the best SA had to offer on the road, so these guys are the best SA has to offer in DH. By the way, where did you come in the world champs?

Someone didnt read my post. well done

 

Anyway. Good luck to the riders that made selection! HinHin!

[DieselnDust]

7 minutes ago, Headshot said:

I put the ball in your court ...

that's unfair, you haven't elaborated on what the hurdles are.

I can tell you that Luke and Tyler's parent have made MASSIVE sacrifices for them to be in the position they are in. Candice and Darren have based themselves in Europe at huge expense, shes a privateer and staying in Europe is what is needed to succeed. Daniel and Luca are also literally breaking the bank to race over there with parental support. i think your comment needs you to unpack it so that theres context.

 

[Danger Dassie]

1 minute ago, DieselnDust said:

that's unfair, you haven't elaborated on what the hurdles are.

I can tell you that Luke and Tyler's parent have made MASSIVE sacrifices for them to be in the position they are in. Candice and Darren have based themselves in Europe at huge expense, shes a privateer and staying in Europe is what is needed to succeed. Daniel and Luca are also literally breaking the bank to race over there with parental support. i think your comment needs you to unpack it so that theres context.

 

Someone else's sacrifices has nothing to do with another, stop drawing false equivocations. All the riders are generally supportive of one another across disciplines. 

[DieselnDust]

1 minute ago, Danger Dassie said:

Someone else's sacrifices has nothing to do with another, stop drawing false equivocations. All the riders are generally supportive of one another across disciplines. 

I don't follow....

 

 comment was made about sacrifices being bigger on the DH side. I drew out that others also make huge sacrifice and somehow theres a false Equivocation...???

This has nothing to do with us vs them. This is a process discussion, one that the agrieved parties supporters have not even begun to unpack other than claiming injury. Right now its abit like England looking for a penalty while 2-1down to Spain

[Headshot]

3 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

that's unfair, you haven't elaborated on what the hurdles are.

I can tell you that Luke and Tyler's parent have made MASSIVE sacrifices for them to be in the position they are in. Candice and Darren have based themselves in Europe at huge expense, shes a privateer and staying in Europe is what is needed to succeed. Daniel and Luca are also literally breaking the bank to race over there with parental support. i think your comment needs you to unpack it so that theres context.

 

I strongly suspect that all the XCO riders even Candice have more support from local sponsors as a result of the XC bevok nation we live in. The "race that measures all" has seen to that. 

Imagine if it was the other way around as it is in most other countries, with gravity orientated riding predominating. 

 

 

[Headshot]

11 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

I don't follow....

 

 comment was made about sacrifices being bigger on the DH side. I drew out that others also make huge sacrifice and somehow theres a false Equivocation...???

This has nothing to do with us vs them. This is a process discussion, one that the agrieved parties supporters have not even begun to unpack other than claiming injury. Right now its abit like England looking for a penalty while 2-1down to Spain

Not sacrifices - hurdles. All the parents from GM on down have had their hands full and bank accounts emptied. 

[Shebeen]

6 minutes ago, Headshot said:

I strongly suspect that all the XCO riders even Candice have more support from local sponsors as a result of the XC bevok nation we live in. The "race that measures all" has seen to that. 

 

I can answer that with the title picture from the article that lead this discussion.

The winner at SA champs has to do a shoey with JC le Poo to celebrate! Come on, most people wouldn't even degrease their chains with that stuff.

 

https://bikenetwork.co.za/unusually-small-sa-team-dh-world-championships/