MORNE Posted May 11, 2021 Share Yawn All this Lance talk. My take? Cheat. Got what was coming. It doesn't remove how much I loved watching him ride. Same as that Kazakh dude who won the olympics. The tour he road for T-mobile when he just attacked attacked attacked despite being covered in bandages doing his best impression of Arnold Vosloo in the Mummy. Rasmussen was also super fun to watch. Cheats the lot of them. Wouldn't trust them alone in my house with my family. But it isn't a pre-requisite to be a decent person to be a brilliant sportser/entertainer.nice guys finish last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickGM Posted May 11, 2021 Share Drugs don't affect people equally so you cant draw a straight line backwards and compare. That and we dont have a clue who took how much, what and when so any kind of dirty/clean comparison is purely emotional.Classic example is the hematocrit thing. Setting the limit at 50% means that people who naturally hover around 42, say, had a lot to gain from EPO. Whereas people naturally at or near 50% gained very little. It's like giving basketball players a pill that will make you 7ft tall, it won't help all of them. And riders had a different appetite for risk with regard to cheating. In a test unrelated to bike racing, pantani once tested with a hematocrit value of 60%. It was after he'd been in an accident and was tested in hospital. So would his incredible mountain escapades have been possible if he was just cheating the same amount as everyone else? It made for great viewing at the time but when I go down nostalgic youtube rabbit holes I don't look much at the 90s and 2000s as it may as well be a work of fiction. I prefer the 70s and 80s when they just used good old amphetamines. DieselnDust, Danger Dassie, ChrisF and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted May 11, 2021 Share Why do we whinge and whinge about teams like Postal, when there are STILL team like "post rest day off the front long sleeve freight train" ASTANA who have more riders popping than a teenagers face. Because LA was a douche bag and he / they won 7 TDF races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted May 11, 2021 Share Classic example is the hematocrit thing. Setting the limit at 50% means that people who naturally hover around 42, say, had a lot to gain from EPO. Whereas people naturally at or near 50% gained very little. It's like giving basketball players a pill that will make you 7ft tall, it won't help all of them. And riders had a different appetite for risk with regard to cheating. In a test unrelated to bike racing, pantani once tested with a hematocrit value of 60%. It was after he'd been in an accident and was tested in hospital. So would his incredible mountain escapades have been possible if he was just cheating the same amount as everyone else? It made for great viewing at the time but when I go down nostalgic youtube rabbit holes I don't look much at the 90s and 2000s as it may as well be a work of fiction. I prefer the 70s and 80s when they just used good old amphetamines. That was a helluva tragic tale. His mother could never let it go either, convinced it was a murder conspiracy linked to the mafia. NickGM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted May 11, 2021 Share Classic example is the hematocrit thing. Setting the limit at 50% means that people who naturally hover around 42, say, had a lot to gain from EPO. Whereas people naturally at or near 50% gained very little. It's like giving basketball players a pill that will make you 7ft tall, it won't help all of them. And riders had a different appetite for risk with regard to cheating. In a test unrelated to bike racing, pantani once tested with a hematocrit value of 60%. It was after he'd been in an accident and was tested in hospital. So would his incredible mountain escapades have been possible if he was just cheating the same amount as everyone else? It made for great viewing at the time but when I go down nostalgic youtube rabbit holes I don't look much at the 90s and 2000s as it may as well be a work of fiction. I prefer the 70s and 80s when they just used good old amphetamines. If there was a super like button I'd have used it for this post! NickGM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted May 11, 2021 Share Drugs don't affect people equally so you cant draw a straight line backwards and compare. That and we dont have a clue who took how much, what and when so any kind of dirty/clean comparison is purely emotional.So you agree, that because we don't know who took what and how they react to different types of substances, ANY coulda/woulda arguments are not supported by science but rather opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted May 11, 2021 Share From horse racingWhen winning horse failed a dopping test ☢️ Baffert says one test issue was created by a groom urinating in the stall after the groom had been taking cough medicine. Horse ate some of the hay. TNT1 and Long Wheel Base 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted May 11, 2021 Share From horse racingWhen winning horse failed a dopping test ☢️ Baffert says one test issue was created by a groom urinating in the stall after the groom had been taking cough medicine. Horse ate some of the hay. Was that horse called Alberto by any chance? Popit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted May 11, 2021 Share From horse racingWhen winning horse failed a dopping test ☢️ Baffert says one test issue was created by a groom urinating in the stall after the groom had been taking cough medicine. Horse ate some of the hay.Totally believable... these things happen. Don't forget this gem from the father of one of our current superstars... ADRI VAN DER POEL'S PIGEON PIE Strychnine is a substance better known as a rodent poison, but in small doses has the effect of helping tired leg muscles. Dutch pro Adri van der Poel tested positive for it in 1983 and blamed the result on eating a pigeon pie made with his father-in-law's racing pigeons which had been doped with the substance. Long Wheel Base, NickGM, Vetplant and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted May 11, 2021 Share Was that horse called Alberto by any chance?Not sure I'd steak my life on that... Underachiever and Patchelicious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted May 11, 2021 Share Not sure I'd steak my life on that...Do you have a better counter argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Wheel Base Posted May 11, 2021 Share Totally believable... these things happen. Don't forget this gem from the father of one of our current superstars... ADRI VAN DER POEL'S PIGEON PIE Strychnine is a substance better known as a rodent poison, but in small doses has the effect of helping tired leg muscles. Dutch pro Adri van der Poel tested positive for it in 1983 and blamed the result on eating a pigeon pie made with his father-in-law's racing pigeons which had been doped with the substance. My Mom likes MvDP, me not so much. I call him Pigeon, she gets cross with me when I say it . Sydd, Andrew Steer, Jewbacca and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yyyy Posted May 11, 2021 Share Totally believable... these things happen. Don't forget this gem from the father of one of our current superstars... ADRI VAN DER POEL'S PIGEON PIE Strychnine is a substance better known as a rodent poison, but in small doses has the effect of helping tired leg muscles. Dutch pro Adri van der Poel tested positive for it in 1983 and blamed the result on eating a pigeon pie made with his father-in-law's racing pigeons which had been doped with the substance. wasnt his father inlaw Raymond Poulidor.................... NickGM, Underachiever and Gen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted May 11, 2021 Share You guys must be new around here, we like MvP, therefore he is clean! ChrisF and Wayne pudding Mol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballingCyclist Posted May 11, 2021 Share From horse racingWhen winning horse failed a dopping test ☢️ Baffert says one test issue was created by a groom urinating in the stall after the groom had been taking cough medicine. Horse ate some of the hay.Did he take cough medicine because his throat was feeling a little hoarse? Edited May 11, 2021 by FootballingCyclist 'Dale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted May 11, 2021 Share You guys must be new around here, we like MvP, therefore he is clean!So, If I say he's a tonsil in that white pant of his, you lot will be upset? Patchelicious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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