Eldron Posted July 31, 2018 Share So after getting flamed on the tour thread, I figured I would come here and give insight on my hatred for doping. I was not chirping G, actually prefer him as a winner to be brutally honest. I watched a close friend and his family give everything for him to try become a pro cyclist, he came 2nd and 3rd for many years at various events not quite making it and then after 7 years one of the guys that beat him week in and week out was bust doping.... Anyway the guy could have been clean back when he was beating my friend.Would those 2nds have changed his life if they were 1sts and would his current sponsorship deal be any better? Would his life be very different now? Try think of who should have won the 99-05 tour de frances? most will battle to remember, but you all remember LA, I feel for that poor guy too, he didn't get the million dollar sponsorship and a pose in yellow in Paris... I'm with you 100% on this - the biggest issue with doping is we just don't know. Don't know who the best rider was. Don't know who the real winner is. Don't know who would/should/deserved to get the sponsorship etc. I guess I was part of the crew that didn't like your comment on the tour thread and that was only because you threw out a general "they all dope" style meme and that is as unfair as the guy who beat your mate. BigDL, Danger Dassie, Andrew_Smith and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted July 31, 2018 Share So after getting flamed on the tour thread, I figured I would come here and give insight on my hatred for doping. I was not chirping G, actually prefer him as a winner to be brutally honest. I watched a close friend and his family give everything for him to try become a pro cyclist, he came 2nd and 3rd for many years at various events not quite making it and then after 7 years one of the guys that beat him week in and week out was bust doping.... Anyway the guy could have been clean back when he was beating my friend.Would those 2nds have changed his life if they were 1sts and would his current sponsorship deal be any better? Would his life be very different now? Try think of who should have won the 99-05 tour de frances? most will battle to remember, but you all remember LA, I feel for that poor guy too, he didn't get the million dollar sponsorship and a pose in yellow in Paris...Ullrich, Kloden, Basso all came second to LA during that time. All admitted to doping. In Kloden's case it was a silent admission via a fine payment made to German Cycling authorities. And in the tour thread you may not have been chirping G but that is how it came across. That along with no evidence to suggest wrong doing is also just plain wrong. That said do I think that the current peloton is 100% clean or 100% ethical? Absolutely not. But it does appear to be a damn sight better than it was during the Armstrong years. Sent from my SM-J200H using Tapatalk BigDL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristand Posted July 31, 2018 Share Doping in professional sport should be punished by a little bit of prison time, it is fraud after all. Suspect that would make many think twice. BigDL, Andrew Steer, Pure Savage and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transformer09 Posted August 22, 2018 Share I personally think that most of the Peleton (If not all) dope to this day. They just have ways to bypass the test ect. Pro Cycling is far from clean and please dont bite my head off, this is just a personal feeling about the sport on the pro circuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PygaSchmyga Posted August 22, 2018 Share I personally think that most of the Peleton (If not all) dope to this day. They just have ways to bypass the test ect. Pro Cycling is far from clean and please dont bite my head off, this is just a personal feeling about the sport on the pro circuit This is the world we live in now post Trump: facts matter little. We can "feel" or "think" whatever we like about something, and consider it to be true, irrespective of the facts at hand, or even in the face of directly contradictory facts. I wonder what they are teaching kids in schools these days? Tristand, BigDL, Spinnekop and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted August 26, 2018 Share https://www.cyclingsa.com/news-and-press/2018/7/31/anti-doping-rule-violation-in-competition-test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr1 Posted August 27, 2018 Share https://www.cyclingsa.com/news-and-press/2018/7/31/anti-doping-rule-violation-in-competition-testAnother great cyclist never really heard of. Got to wonder how many of his past results and contracts were based on a lie ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted August 27, 2018 Share https://www.cyclingsa.com/news-and-press/2018/7/31/anti-doping-rule-violation-in-competition-test I would guess he is another "diet pill" positive - this is the 3rd or 4th one we've had in the last 5 years. That or he is a proper hard doper - we'll never know. Read your labels people. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted August 27, 2018 Share Don't know who he is or claim to fame. Had to do a Google search and turns out achielieved podium in mixed cat in Absa Cape epic in 2015.Beyond that just a professional fun rider. Interesting that 2015 shows a upward trajectory in results and then a rough normalisation so I'm guessing there's more than just a diet pill thing going on. But here's the question :Wtf?!?! Do we need a pill to help say no to food? I'm hurt that I was cheated out of all those fun ride medals I feel strongly he should hand them all back (Where's the comic sans??!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted August 27, 2018 Share Another great cyclist never really heard of. Got to wonder how many of his past results and contracts were based on a lie ??? I recognise his name from my PPA event results. He is an amateur riding in the alphabet soup groups. We won't know for sure but my guess likely someone who didn't read the label... Edit: OK, didn't know about the Epic result... Edited August 27, 2018 by Skubarra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted August 27, 2018 Share Don't know who he is or claim to fame. Had to do a Google search and turns out achielieved podium in mixed cat in Absa Cape epic in 2015.Beyond that just a professional fun rider. Interesting that 2015 shows a upward trajectory in results and then a rough normalisation so I'm guessing there's more than just a diet pill thing going on. But here's the question :Wtf?!?! Do we need a pill to help say no to food?I'm hurt that I was cheated out of all those fun ride medals I feel strongly he should hand them all back(Where's the comic sans??!) Judging by the size of the diet supplement market just about everybody needs a pill to help them say no to food! Is this guy ESA or ESSA cos both appear in searches... ESA hasn't done much but ESSA can ride a bicycle! Are we talking about one guy here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Judging by the size of the diet supplement market just about everybody needs a pill to help them say no to food! Is this guy ESA or ESSA cos both appear in searches... ESA hasn't done much but ESSA can ride a bicycle! Are we talking about one guy here?CSA may have misspelt the guy's surname as Essa is definitely a South African cyclist riding for Team Asrin according to the very short Google search I did. Also if it is that guy then he has won the mixed category of the Cape Epic with Cathrine Williamson a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted August 27, 2018 Share From a control in November 2015......?Wtflip The wheels of justice do indeed turn Pure Savage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted August 27, 2018 Share CSA may have misspelt the guy's surname as Essa is definitely a South African cyclist riding for Team Asrin according to the very short Google search I did. Also if it is that guy then he has won the mixed category of the Cape Epic with Cathrine Williamson a few years ago.Podium not win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Podium not win.Misread the article I saw when I googled him. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted September 3, 2018 Share http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/saids-probe-nets-three-for-doping-violations/ Saw this on twitter this morning... Nick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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