Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

[Hairy]

hahahaahahaha!! I remember that, but still........there is a place for anyone, as long as you enjoy the ride and dont steal strava segments, all good! LOL!

And the Big S pay his salary .... so he will ride what they want him to and he will love it ... even if he doesn't

[SwissVan]

guess it depends if you praat die taal or not.

I'm ok with it dude..

"sticks and stones"

 

 

PS.. ever ridden one?

I highly recommend it if not.

just once ... just for that one day of a lot of extra fun

Listeeen....

 

I’m busy working on converting from 26” and 3 x chain rings to 29” and 1 x

 

So don’t come here and complicate things.

Thank you ????

 

????

[SwissVan]

guess it depends if you praat die taal or not.

I'm ok with it dude..

"sticks and stones"

 

 

PS.. ever ridden one?

I highly recommend it if not.

just once ... just for that one day of a lot of extra fun

Btw.... no have not

Scared I’ll like it

[Chingy182]

Lots to consider when reading both sides of the argument on this thread.

 

My personal feel to this is each to his own.

On an E-bike you just don't have any bragging rights on completing events, etc. I would perhaps go as far as saying that you should not get a finishers medal.

Don't go chasing down strava segments.

 

I think E-bikers in races should be strapped up with a Go-Pro so they can film footage of the riders in the event (thus acting more like a film crew capacity similar to that other dude in the Cape Epic on an E-bike filming the riders)

[L.T.G]

 Scared I’ll like it

you won't...

you'd love it.

pity you're on Zug...

would like to introduce you to one

[L.T.G]

 

 

I think E-bikers in races should be strapped up with a Go-Pro  

What I do on most of my rides.

If in a group it helps to increase my "photo bank" with shots I'd normally not get or have time to of other riders.

That being said, when not riding up ahead or catching up after photo'ing, I ride with the Levo off or at the most on Eco, which I've set at 10% power, just to take the edge off the weight a bit. 

[Goodbadugly]

Lots to consider when reading both sides of the argument on this thread.

 

My personal feel to this is each to his own.

On an E-bike you just don't have any bragging rights on completing events, etc. I would perhaps go as far as saying that you should not get a finishers medal.

Don't go chasing down strava segments.

 

I think E-bikers in races should be strapped up with a Go-Pro so they can film footage of the riders in the event (thus acting more like a film crew capacity similar to that other dude in the Cape Epic on an E-bike filming the riders)

Strap on?

[Shebeen]

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

 

 

 

That's not an ebike - THIS is an ebike.

 

 

It's the evolution of the ebike - you don't even have to "pedal assist" this one!

maybe go back and reread the article again, or just keep flogging your horse - I'm sure it twitched.

[Eldron]

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

 

 

 

maybe go back and reread the article again, or just keep flogging your horse - I'm sure it twitched.

 

 

It is a bike. With a motor.   So.....bare with me here. It's a bike plus a motor.....bike + motor...bike motor......bikemotor......motorbike!

 

Just because it's pedal assist and can offer "only" 250w doesn't magically make it a bicycle. 

 

I guess if you want to be correct then you can call it a motorbicycle.

 

Says the man flogging the man that is flogging the horse.

[Shebeen]

It is a bike. With a motor.   So.....bare with me here. It's a bike plus a motor.....bike + motor...bike motor......bikemotor......motorbike!

 

Just because it's pedal assist and can offer "only" 250w doesn't magically make it a bicycle. 

 

I guess if you want to be correct then you can call it a motorbicycle.

 

Says the man flogging the man that is flogging the horse.

so, bare with your own logic for a second

bicycle + electric shifting =  electric bike?

uh mean it has a servo motor, so it's actually an electric motorbike?

 

flogging a dead horse is pointless. Pointing out to the man that he is doing something pointless, i suppose does become futile after a while too. Think about that one for a second.

[Eldron]

Okay before this gets totally out of hand let's add some maths.

 

The Turbo Levo has 504 watt-hours of range and can add a maximum of 530 watts.

 

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stories/the-power-to-ride-more-trails

 

To put that in perspective - Chris Froome used about 400w to ride away from Tommy D at the Giro. 530 watts is an enormous amount of power for a pro rider - it's an insane amount for a weekender. 

 

I'd hazard a guess that the average rider puts out around 252 watts for a 2 hour race (mainly because it makes doing the mathematics easy!). This means the Levo can match that making you twice as fast as normal (2 hours at 252w makes up the 504watt-hour range in the quoted numbers).

 

Ebikes are not a "little faster" or "pedal assist" - they're in a different league or "double pedal".

 

Like I said - ride what you like but race what is fair.

[Eldron]

so, bare with your own logic for a second

 

bicycle + electric shifting =  electric bike?

uh mean it has a servo motor, so it's actually an electric motorbike?

 

flogging a dead horse is pointless. Pointing out to the man that he is doing something pointless, i suppose does become futile after a while too. Think about that one for a second.

 

Given that the motor powers the shifting not the bicycle I'd say you're clutching at straws.

[M L]

In the year 19voertsek when I wrote st.10, we were not allowed to use pocket calculators. 

Watching TV would shrink your brain.

Exercise was good for you.

We competed to see who was the strongest. Not the weakest.

"Ag shame" was seen as an insult.

Competition was seen as a good thing.

If you loose a fight after school behind the rugby field, you had to go back the next day not to loose face.

When I got 6 of the best from the headmaster, my father also added a few strokes if he found out. For putting him to shame.

"Man up".

 

How things have changed.

In primary schools an academical top 10 was discontinued in the lower grades. Too much competition they say.

If Jannie did not pass his exams in 1975, his backside burned. Now the teacher gets fired.

We really did not need viagra. More like blue vitriol.

And men must come in touch with their feminine side.

 

What I am trying too say is things change. We can resist. But change will happen. Like pocket calculators, TV, human rights and getting in touch with your feminine side.

 

This is not really a rant. Nostalgia on a era gone by.

I won't be surprised if ebikes are allowed to compete in races in the future.

Good point. Change is not only going to happen, but often necessary.

 

I don't know. I can understand why ebikes shouldn't be allowed in races with mtbs.

 

What I don't get is the hate towards ebikes.

 

Reminds me of res in varsity where guys cling desperately to the past as they are afraid of change and afraid that new res members will lead to less camaraderie. You don't fix change with aggression and fear. 

 

Also seems quite narcissistic if you can't tolerate ebikes on mtb trails.

 

Ebikes are an asset to mtbing as a whole. Why?

 

1 - They are expensive to buy and expensive to maintain and thus help your LBS to keep their doors open

2 - Increased demand for ebikes means increasing demand for all MTBs (advertising as well as a trickle down effect whereby you ride an ebike now but might buy a mtb in the future)

3 - They are better for the planet than motorbikes or cars

4 - They have great potential to relieve congestion (already starting to realise in Europe)

5 - They can save you time (cycle to a grocery store or to work)

6 - They encourage people to get outdoors (if you have knee problems then even walking is a becomes a massive feat)

7 - They get those on the periphery of mtb'ing, into mtb'ing - if I am so overweight that I am embarrassed to jog, then an ebike will be more healthy than walking (physically and mentally)

8 - Continuing on point 5, they are good for relationships and friendships (my spouse, mother, old father or overweight friend can mtb with me)

 

Anyway. Lets all hate on the ebikers and let them know by our attitude and banter that we really find their use of an electric bike, for transport or recreational purposes, absolutely disgraceful. 

Edited June 12, 2018 by M L

[Shebeen]

Okay before this gets totally out of hand let's add some maths.

 

The Turbo Levo has 504 watt-hours of range and can add a maximum of 530 watts.

 

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stories/the-power-to-ride-more-trails

 

To put that in perspective - Chris Froome used about 400w to ride away from Tommy D at the Giro. 530 watts is an enormous amount of power for a pro rider - it's an insane amount for a weekender. 

 

I'd hazard a guess that the average rider puts out around 252 watts for a 2 hour race (mainly because it makes doing the mathematics easy!). This means the Levo can match that making you twice as fast as normal (2 hours at 252w makes up the 504watt-hour range in the quoted numbers).

 

Ebikes are not a "little faster" or "pedal assist" - they're in a different league or "double pedal".

 

Like I said - ride what you like but race what is fair.

 

 

ok, fine let's use your logic again to show up a silly argument.

 

The ZERO DSR you posted, you know the "ebike" that is the same thing that the rest of us are talking about.

 

14.4kWh, or like about 28 more capacity than a turbo levo

~50kW, or like 100 times more powerful than a turbo levo

 

so not like "double pedal", but like 30 times pedal.

It's a pity you can't see how illogical your argument looks.

[SwissVan]

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

 

Listeeeeen Cousin ????

 

You are right, truth is they are faster, heavier than a bicycle and silent = Silent and deadly, worse than motorbikes.

 

The buggers sneak up on you very quickly and come flying past, heaven help you if one of them connect you while you are innocently riding / jogging along happily minding your own business.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe go back and reread the article again, or just keep flogging your horse - I'm sure it twitched.

[Eldron]

ok, fine let's use your logic again to show up a silly argument.

 

The ZERO DSR you posted, you know the "ebike" that is the same thing that the rest of us are talking about.

 

14.4kWh, or like about 28 more capacity than a turbo levo

~50kW, or like 100 times more powerful than a turbo levo

 

so not like "double pedal", but like 30 times pedal.

It's a pity you can't see how illogical your argument looks.

Let's run a quick poll...

 

Who spotted the Crocodile Dundee reference and who didn't?

 

If you took that post seriously I recommend you go out and socialise more.