Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

[IH8MUD]

No man. People riding e bikes speaks nothing of the "demise" of our species. If anything they will take us out of our cars more.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun. 

Wanking is also  "loads" of fun . . . .    

But it's not the real thing. 

Just like E-bikes. 

[Thor Buttox]

No man.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun.

Ah, but have YOU tried a sex robot?

 

(Sorry... Just can't understand the lads ^^^^ who can't understand that we have all pretty much solved the situation on about page 6 of this thread )

[Duane_Bosch]

Ah, but have YOU tried a sex robot?

 

Not yet....

[shaper]

No man. People riding e bikes speaks nothing of the "demise" of our species. If anything they will take us out of our cars more.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun.

The crux of the discussion and the operative word "FUN"... hence why all I think are happy with guys being on ebikes on the roads and on the trails, having FUN enjoying the trails and/or touring.

 

But it seems those guys who have them for fun soon have a mindset change probably because how fast and how far they can go with very little effort and now want to race with the guys who put the time and effort in to push themselves to go that far and fast!!

 

So when you say NO to them being in races..... that's when the toys get thrown !!

[Duane_Bosch]

 

 

But it seems those guys who have them for fun soon have a mindset change probably because how fast and how far they can go with very little effort and now want to race with the guys who put the time and effort in to push themselves to go that far and fast!!

 

So when you say NO to them being in races..... that's when the toys get thrown !!

I don't want to get too deeply involved in the argument.

 

But how are you "racing" an e bike? It's retarded to even contemplate. I rode from the parking lot to the mast at Tokai in under 40 minutes. With very little effort. And that included a little chat with Mark and taking a few snappies on the way up. I think Darren Lil's KOM is 44 minutes. How could I POSSIBLY compare my cruise up there to his efforts?

 

But DAMN it was fun.

 

Edited June 12, 2018 by Duane_Bosch

[Eldron]

I don't want to get too deeply involved in the argument.

 

But how are you "racing" an e bike? It's retarded to even contemplate. I rode from the parking lot to the mast at Tokai in under 40 minutes. With very little effort. And that included a little chat with Mark and taking a few snappies on the way up. I think Darren Lil's KOM is 44 minutes. How could I POSSIBLY compare my cruise up there to his efforts?

 

But DAMN it was fun.

 

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Damnit. Now you've gone and ended the thread. That is no fun at all!

[Duane_Bosch]

Damnit. Now you've gone and ended the thread. That is no fun at all!

I'm sure someone will poke holes in your argument by saying a bike with DI2 is a motorbike or some such nonsense.

 

OH!

[Thor Buttox]

I don't want to get too deeply involved in the argument.

 

But how are you "racing" an e bike? It's retarded to even contemplate. I rode from the parking lot to the mast at Tokai in under 40 minutes. With very little effort. And that included a little chat with Mark and taking a few snappies on the way up. I think Darren Lil's KOM is 44 minutes. How could I POSSIBLY compare my cruise up there to his efforts?

 

But DAMN it was fun.

 

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At some point someone comes along from the top tail of the bell curve who makes maturity and common sense seem like a reasonable alternative. Damn you! Edited June 12, 2018 by Thor Buttox

[Patchelicious]

Wanking is also "loads" of fun . . . .

But it's not the real thing.

Just like E-bikes.

Wait till you try an eWank machine. You will beat all your previous manual KUMs and you will easily be able to keep up with those guys who are clocking 12-16 hard hours a week on PornHub. Edited June 12, 2018 by Patchelicious

[G e r h a r d Odendaal]

Ebikes are awesome and a nice training tool for recovery rides.

[EZRider]

It is a bike. With a motor. So.....bare with me here. It's a bike plus a motor.....bike + motor...bike motor......bikemotor......motorbike!

 

Just because it's pedal assist and can offer "only" 250w doesn't magically make it a bicycle.

 

I guess if you want to be correct then you can call it a motorbicycle.

 

Says the man flogging the man that is flogging the horse.

It is a motorbike.... just a very slow (read k@k) one!

 

My problem with the ebikers at Sani was the riders were poor at “shredding the trail” and after getting ahead with their extra watts were slow on the track.

Most MTBers have spent a few years working up to multi day events and learned a few skills along the way.

 

On the mountain? Sure, whatever makes you happy. On a race? If you must. Just stay out of my way if you use your engine to pass me on the hill.

[Hairy]

Ah, but have YOU tried a sex robot?

 

(Sorry... Just can't understand the lads ^^^^ who can't understand that we have all pretty much solved the situation on about page 6 of this thread )

there "may" have been that one time when the wife had me dress up like robocop ... does that count in anyway ...........

[Shebeen]

Let's run a quick poll...

 

Who spotted the Crocodile Dundee reference and who didn't?

 

If you took that post seriously I recommend you go out and socialise more.

ok, I'll join that poll.

I didn't spot the "mate that's not a knife, this is a knife" jibe, because you've made the same "joke" about five times on this thread before. Who tells the same joke to an audience more than three times?

 

I can see you're bright enough to see the difference between a pedal assist Ebike(what we're talking about here) and a motorbike(electric or stink). By continually referring to them as motorbikes you're actually just stirring.

 

If you think they are more like a motorbike than a bicycle, you either haven't ridden one or are just stirring. I'm guessing you've had more than enough opportunity in Denmark for the first not to be the case.

 

Now you're a smart guy, pretty good at catching the mood and opinions and in general a great dude to have on the forum. Here we have a complex issue (50 odd pages of mostly on topic posts shows you that it's not a black and white issue), but since you are in one corner that's your opinion finish and klaar, but the grey area is where the actual debate is. I don't know why you want to keep adding an extreme view to a debate - it won't advance it.

 

Never thought there would be so much hate for people riding bicycles without medical doping involved.

[Tony datoy]

After migrating from a Pyga OneTen to a Turbo Levo FSR 6 Fattie earlier this year I have been shown the middle finger more times than I care, which I don’t.

 

When people say ebike, they usually mean Pedelec. There are technical and legal differences between a pedelec and an ebike.

 

Pedelecs (pedal electric cycles) are cycles that assist the rider’s pedaling effort with a battery/ electric motor delivering up to 250 watts assisted power at a speed of up to 25 km/h. There are many other different types of electric bikes with different ways of activating the electric assist and they all fall outside of the definition of a pedelec.

 

Pedelec’s are designed to augment human power and not replace it. Assistance only comes on when you pedal and it makes pedaling easier. Assistance automatically turns off when you stop pedaling; there is simply no throttle present. These amazing bicycles use pedal assist which runs in the background delivering smooth assistance whilst cycling with the option of a little boost to get up a steep section of trail where challenged individuals would normally have to get off and push. This can be seen to be advantageous to the other cyclists as it mitigates bottlenecks.

 

You can adjust the level of assistance from no assistance to a great deal of assistance so don’t take it for granted that everyone on a pedelec is at full boost all the time; I spend most of the time at 20% which basically compensates for the additional weight.

 

At a certain speed assistance is cut out; 25 km/h is the limit. Most bicycle riders can reach speed higher than 25 km/h for a limited time without much effort.

 

The same people who pioneered mountain-biking in South Africa are now in their 50s and 60s, and we still like to ride our bikes. Pedelecs allows us to continue to do something that we’ve always loved to do despite the physical challenges that come with age; something that younger folks are not going to get. My pedelec will extend my mountain biking by another 15 years.

 

In my opinion the limited speed and power of pedelecs makes them okay to use on trails with other cyclists, however I do not agree with mixing then up with other cyclists in races unless they are grouped in a different class without interfering with the other cyclists on the race day.

[Shebeen]

My bad, your opinion has actually moved with the thread. and you have ridden one!

Just stop calling them motorbikes and we can get along just fine.

 

from mild disgust for ebikes and especially their riders

Here in Copenhagen e-bikes are scorned by riders! The old and invalid use them and then only if they're really old and really invalidded. Oh and mailman. In Denmark old people *** you out if you give them your seat on thr bus. I like that. A lot.

E-bikes should be "last resort" in my opinion. How farkon soft has society got that people "need" ebikes? Very few people actually need ebikes. They're just farkin soft.

 

 

to a general acceptance that they are useful, but not really understanding why one would ride them.

 

 

I have nothing against using e-bike to fill in for handicaps/weaknesses  - allowing older people to remain cyclists, extend range of people wanting to ride to work, allowing special needs people to be cyclists but I draw the line at fit/healthy cyclists being lazy and/or simply wanting to go faster.

 

I really don't get it. If you want to go really fast buy a motorbike. If you like downhills then hit actual downhills with a shuttle.

 

This whole "oh I like the downhills but couldn't arsed to ride the uphills so I plan on getting an ebike to go and shred the descents on the local trails" thing fuddles my brains.

 

All my own opinion of course - I'm all for anyone doing whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with other people doing what they want. I guess that means I'll never own one (until I'm oooold) and would prefer to not have them on the trails. Logic dictates that they should be allowed on the trails as long as they aren't powerful enough to rip up trail motox style and the riders don't roost and/or tear past people at stupid/dangerous speed.

 

to, I'm cool with Ebikes, just don't race them.

We're on thw same page - I'm all for ebikes. More choice is always better! Just not in races...

I've ridden a few and they're cool but I prefer bicycles for cycling and motorbikes for going fast.

In general I see most "crossover" products as a compromise.

 

 

 

I know quoting someone over time is cherrypicking and unfair, and I'm damn sure my words will contradict myself here too. So my opinion (for now at least):

*ebikes are a really awesome mix of technologies in one package

*they are bicycles

*they get more people riding bikes, and that can only be a good thing

*they are here to stay, we will need to learn to deal with them.

*there are chops in every segment of society, the population of ebike owners will be no different

*they should not be raced against unassisted bikes for time. if there are enough give them a category. This is not straightforward, but not impossible. I don't think cycling should ever be an exclusionary sport. If piet van staden @ 130kgs buys an ebike and gets fit, I don't think he should need to buy another bike to enjoy a mtb race experience. He just mustn't expect to get an official finish and shouldn't be a d!ck about it.

 

I don't own one (yet), but the way it is going I think many people will come back in 2/3/15 years time and wonder why they were so against them. Not everyone, of course.

[Patchelicious]

 

*ebikes are a really awesome mix of technologies in one package

*they are bicycles

*they get more people riding bikes, and that can only be a good thing

*they are here to stay, we will need to learn to deal with them.

*there are chops in every segment of society, the population of ebike owners will be no different

*they should not be raced against unassisted bikes for time. 

 

This is what general census seems to be... not sure why people like arguing on sementics when they are actually agreeing on the important fundamental issues.