Training for kids - benefits of multisport exposure

[Vetplant]

Came across my media feed and thought it wise to share:

 

 

Link to the Journal itself:

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691620974772?journalCode=ppsa&

[TNT1]

2 minutes ago, Vetplant said:

Came across my media feed and thought it wise to share:

 

 

Link to the Journal itself:

 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691620974772?journalCode=ppsa&

That sort of flies in the face of the long term research that was done into what makes New Zealand rugby so successful. What that research found, was that it is total fixation on one sport from an early age is what leads New Zealand rugby to have more success on the international stage (going by the numers, not your feels) than any other country.

I'll find the link and post it.

[Vetplant]

2 minutes ago, TNT1 said:

That sort of flies in the face of the long term research that was done into what makes New Zealand rugby so successful. What that research found, was that it is total fixation on one sport from an early age is what leads New Zealand rugby to have more success on the international stage (going by the numers, not your feels) than any other country.

I'll find the link and post it.

I enjoy opposing perspectives. Both sides might have a valid point and the true answer is somewhere in the grey in-between these extremes.

I think the tie-breaker in all of this should be if @J Wakefieldcan ask Tadej if he played football as a kid or whether it was just road cycling since the day he could walk....

[TNT1]

Just now, Vetplant said:

I enjoy opposing perspectives. Both sides might have a valid point and the true answer is somewhere in the grey in-between these extremes.

I think the tie-breaker in all of this should be if @J Wakefieldcan ask Tadej if he played football as a kid or whether it was just road cycling since the day he could walk....

Don't even need that reference. Evnepoel could be playing for the Belgian national soccer team right now if he wanted to.

Roglic was a world class downhill skier.

Woods was a world level runner (I think it's woods, one of those effers isn't it)

[Pure Savage]

It really depends what sport, cycling is not that hard to pick up later in life, it just comes down to power. 

There is zero chance a keen 20 year old goes to play in the NHL for Ice Hockey having played only in winters in US or Canada or Russia. We played against Canadian kids that grew up on ice skates and that could dribble a puck at age 4. If you are not in academy at 16 you are not playing NHL. There is just no catching up.

If you an endurance athlete, you can easily switch from running, riding, cross country ski, etc. 

[dave303e]

21 minutes ago, TNT1 said:

That sort of flies in the face of the long term research that was done into what makes New Zealand rugby so successful. What that research found, was that it is total fixation on one sport from an early age is what leads New Zealand rugby to have more success on the international stage (going by the numers, not your feels) than any other country.

I'll find the link and post it.

It is very interesting, my take on the whole NZ rugby thing is they are on average better runners. So they play more rugby in 80mins compared to the rest.

McCaw at Godzone adventure this year was an absolute beast, even taking on navigation responsibility. I am willing to bet money that not one of the saffer rugby players with 3 years prep would be racing at that level. If you can make a steal at 1 in every 3 rucks you get to. Then by getting to double the rucks you make double the steals.

13 minutes ago, TNT1 said:

Don't even need that reference. Evnepoel could be playing for the Belgian national soccer team right now if he wanted to.

Roglic was a world class downhill skier.

Woods was a world level runner (I think it's woods, one of those effers isn't it)

Killian Jornet not only a champion runner but also a champion Ski Mountaineer.

Nasser Al-Attiyah- Won Dakar rally but also has an Olympic bronze medal for skeet shooting.

[Dirt De Vil]

There is enough pressure during adulthood, children just needs to be loved and supported to grow into happy positive people. If they are naturally gifted, they will automatically shine and with your support have fun and achieve at the same time. With your aspirations, goals etc heaped on their shoulders ... shaky foundation.

(Discipline, manners, etc etc not specifically included nor excluded in the above as the manual for raising perfect superstar children was accidently forgotten in my unicorn's saddlebag ????)

Have a great weekend

[TNT1]

5 minutes ago, Dirt De Vil said:

There is enough pressure during adulthood, children just needs to be loved and supported to grow into happy positive people. If they are naturally gifted, they will automatically shine and with your support have fun and achieve at the same time. With your aspirations, goals etc heaped on their shoulders ... shaky foundation.

(Discipline, manners, etc etc not specifically included nor excluded in the above as the manual for raising perfect superstar children was accidently forgotten in my unicorn's saddlebag ????)

Have a great weekend

So, do you think Tiger would have won all the golf if his dad didn't have him swinging a club when he was 2 already?

Do you think he was a sexual deviant cause his daddy pressured him?

I think he had sex with all those women, cause he could, not cause there is anything wrong with him.

[TNT1]

17 minutes ago, dave303e said:

It is very interesting, my take on the whole NZ rugby thing is they are on average better runners. So they play more rugby in 80mins compared to the rest.

 

Yeah, but why do they play rugby that way is the question. 

Here's the thing I was talking about:

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Join Prof Ross Tucker and host Mike Finch as they speak to renowned author Peter Bills about his latest book 'The Jersey: The Secrets Behind the World's Most Successful Team'' (Pan Macmillan). Bills - one the UK's foremost sports journalists and writers - spent four years researching the book on the New Zealand All Blacks to discover what it is that makes them the dominant force in world rugby. From team culture to the 'no dickheads' policy, playing the referee and the influence of the Polynesian players, Bills' intimate insight in to what makes the All Blacks tick is both revealing and entertaining.

It's worth a listen on the science of sport pod as well.

https://play.acast.com/s/realscienceofsport/whytheallblacksaretheworldsgreatestsportsteam

 

[DJuice]

This has been on my mind recently and wanted to ask a few times for input from John.

Many sports, no fixed training schedule, let them play and find out what they like, that was the default answer.

Seeing this new younger age athletes (cycling, swimming) not sure this is still the case. 

These athletes must have had structured training and volume for years to perform like they do.

This interest me, supporting a few disadvantage children runners and just seeing what a change in diet can do to their performance.

This is going to sound strange, bear with me: I have asked a biokinetics if it is possible to take one of these children and turn them into world class athletes by structured training from a very young age, and he was not convinced it is possible.

[J Wakefield]

18 minutes ago, TNT1 said:

Yeah, but why do they play rugby that way is the question. 

Here's the thing I was talking about:

It's worth a listen on the science of sport pod as well.

https://play.acast.com/s/realscienceofsport/whytheallblacksaretheworldsgreatestsportsteam

 

Would rather put deepheat in my eyes and eat cucumber than listen to Ross. 

[J Wakefield]

17 minutes ago, DJuice said:

This has been on my mind recently and wanted to ask a few times for input from John.

Many sports, no fixed training schedule, let them play and find out what they like, that was the default answer.

Seeing this new younger age athletes (cycling, swimming) not sure this is still the case. 

These athletes must have had structured training and volume for years to perform like they do.

This interest me, supporting a few disadvantage children runners and just seeing what a change in diet can do to their performance.

This is going to sound strange, bear with me: I have asked a biokinetics if it is possible to take one of these children and turn them into world class athletes by structured training from a very young age, and he was not convinced it is possible.

As reference that kids who follow structured Training from a young age hardly ever make it past 2nd year U23 and those who do by chance barely go onto being outliers as they were in junior ranks. 
 

as a company we do not introduce or take on athletes under 16yrs old - yes sometimes alittle earlier but then it’s about learning how to train as apposed to “I want my child to have Matt beers or Mikkel Bjerg pgm”

[RobbyB]

It sounds like it has much more to do with your inheritance - your GENES! (If it's not in your genes - you're not getting to the TOP!)

Obviously all other factors play a part - Nurtured at a young age, nutrition, specialist coaching at the right age etc, etc...

Other factors that can STOP children from succeeding include: too much pressure from parents and a subsequent lack of interest in the sport.

The converse is also true that some kids would never have got to the heights that they attained if it wasn't due to the dogged determination of their parents.

I don't think that there is a ONE WAY approach to creating champions.

 

Edited July 23, 2021 by RobbyB

[I FLY]

10 minutes ago, RobbyB said:

It sounds like it has much more to do with your inheritance - your GENES! (If it's not in your genes - you're not getting to the TOP!)

Obviously all other factors play a part - Nurtured at a young age, nutrition, specialist coaching at the right age etc, etc...

Other factors that can STOP children from succeeding include: too much pressure from parents and a subsequent lack of interest in the sport.

The converse is also true that some kids would never have got to the heights that they attained if it wasn't due to the dogged determination of their parents.

I don't think that there is a ONE WAY approach to creating champions.

 

Bruce Fordyce always thanked his parents for passing down good genes.

[DJuice]

12 minutes ago, J Wakefield said:

As reference that kids who follow structured Training from a young age hardly ever make it past 2nd year U23 and those who do by chance barely go onto being outliers as they were in junior ranks. 
 

as a company we do not introduce or take on athletes under 16yrs old - yes sometimes alittle earlier but then it’s about learning how to train as apposed to “I want my child to have Matt beers or Mikkel Bjerg pgm”

Thank you, always insightful. 

[AccidentalGenius]

https://www.bicycling.com/tour-de-france/a37093725/can-anyone-beat-tadej-pogacar/?utm_campaign=socialflowFBBI&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR2bWBPkhTxUUDm7bpIyrKDMenTRSiHDKWDEAovqVi-z3qk-iYHDXFFMxnY
 

I don’t know how accurate or true any of this is, but it’s interesting. To me anyway.