dave303e Posted September 7, 2022 Share 1 hour ago, J Wakefield said: There is a lot of legal and protocols that need to be followed to both protect the athlete and the organisation. Notifications are often before to the athlete then public. The athlete has a period to request a B sample. More times than not, they run this to the 12th hour for obvious reasons I get that, I jus think either way this ends up being sorted out by lawyers, and the only ones who win then are the lawyers. Because either an athlete in his peak is missing out on wins, or an athlete in his peak doesn't get the coverage of true wins. I think a week is not a ridiculous time period to return a test? Take craven week 2018. 12% of SA's doping cases for the year came from 1 week of schoolboy rugby. Every one of those boys played the full week of rugby because the testing took so long. Who is to say if or how much an impact that would have had on the tournament as a whole? Take the rugby championship- a positive test in the first week means a player can play literally the whole tournament before being banned if they have a 7 week turnaround. 59 minutes ago, Sid the Sloth said: Glad I am vegetarian, no steroid steaks or plumping pigeon pies for me. 36mg slow release in an 860kg bull is probably not going to have much effect on you. Unless you eating it's ear while the implant is still there. You can also get non hormone treated steak if you buy carefully. But if you think vegetarians are healthier- in the EU at some stage you will eat fruit or vegetables that comes out of the sea of plastic in Almeira Spain. Where the ethics are so bad illegal immigrants have literally died from pesticide poisoning in the greenhouses. They pump so much water out the ground the salt water is leaching into the water table. They also happen to dump something like 20000 tons of plastic a year. So pick your poison... TheoG, LBKloppers and Robbie Stewart 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Brink Posted September 7, 2022 Share 1 hour ago, Sid the Sloth said: Glad I am vegetarian, no steroid steaks or plumping pigeon pies for me. https://www.hhmi.org/news/steroids-could-add-bulk-crop-harvests Sid the Sloth, Robbie Stewart, DieselnDust and 3 others 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Stewart Posted September 7, 2022 Share 20 minutes ago, dave303e said: But if you think vegetarians are healthier- I read somewhere a couple years ago that GMO modified grain in the US contains amongst other things, canine genetics to allow the plant to be more resistant to attack from plant viruses. Not saying this is verifiably true, as I simply can't say, but that would give me reason enough to doubt that what we eat is entirely plant based without any external impact. The whole genetic modification of our food, meat and plant based, is a point of concern. But, I do not believe diet alone can contribute to positive test results at the levels being reported at these high level sporting events. Its been said already, but smoke, fire. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted September 7, 2022 Share 2 hours ago, J Wakefield said: There is a lot of legal and protocols that need to be followed to both protect the athlete and the organisation. Notifications are often before to the athlete then public. The athlete has a period to request a B sample. More times than not, they run this to the 12th hour for obvious reasons Fluck is in a tough position here. Admit guilt, no B sample and take your chances or positive B sample and longer sanction. Not exactly a youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babse Posted September 7, 2022 Share 1 minute ago, jcza said: Fluck is in a tough position here. Admit guilt, no B sample and take your chances or positive B sample and longer sanction. Not exactly a youngster. What's likely sanctioned if admit guilt, 12-24 months or longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattman Posted September 7, 2022 Share All of the riders are likely doping, he is just the unlucky one to get caught/ not hide it as well as the others. Scott roy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted September 7, 2022 Share 27 minutes ago, babse said: What's likely sanctioned if admit guilt, 12-24 months or longer? Can get lucky and race again when season starts next year, all depends I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechatnoir Posted September 7, 2022 Share 1 hour ago, Tim Brink said: https://www.hhmi.org/news/steroids-could-add-bulk-crop-harvests we should know that if it can be done, it's being done. probably applies to doping in sport too come to think of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelie87 Posted September 7, 2022 Share more importantly...If Flückiger’s positive test is confirmed. Will his Strava times be voided ? I see him taking some of the local leaderboards here in Stellenbosch... Fred van Vlaanderen, Sid the Sloth, JohanDiv and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underachiever Posted September 7, 2022 Share 23 minutes ago, Wheelie87 said: more importantly...If Flückiger’s positive test is confirmed. Will his Strava times be voided ? I see him taking some of the local leaderboards here in Stellenbosch... Flag his rides. Provide reason under "other"😀 Fred van Vlaanderen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid the Sloth Posted September 7, 2022 Share 33 minutes ago, Wheelie87 said: more importantly...If Flückiger’s positive test is confirmed. Will his Strava times be voided ? I see him taking some of the local leaderboards here in Stellenbosch... These are the most important questions. ChristoErasmus and Fred van Vlaanderen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtbiker404 Posted September 7, 2022 Share 25 minutes ago, Underachiever said: Flag his rides. Provide reason under "other"😀 How many riders is a person allowed to flag in order to get my KOMs back? Asking for a friend. Hilton., Sid the Sloth, Underachiever and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinmug Posted September 7, 2022 Share The B sample hasn't been tested (apparently). Why not if he claims angel-like innocence? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/mathias-flueckiger-claims-innocence-in-doping-case-sample-should-have-been-reported-atypical-not-positive.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky4130 Posted September 7, 2022 Share 4 hours ago, tinmug said: The B sample hasn't been tested (apparently). Why not if he claims angel-like innocence? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/mathias-flueckiger-claims-innocence-in-doping-case-sample-should-have-been-reported-atypical-not-positive.html the comments section on that pinkbike article is just next level 🤣 OVERDRIVE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted September 8, 2022 Share 21 hours ago, J Wakefield said: There is a lot of legal and protocols that need to be followed to both protect the athlete and the organisation. Notifications are often before to the athlete then public. The athlete has a period to request a B sample. More times than not, they run this to the 12th hour for obvious reasons I'm guessing the lab test is quite complicated. You're looking for 100s of banned substances so probably run a range of tests and maybe even in batches, not just like checking the pH in your pool. BUT does a B sample get fast tracked, and can they just run the test for the specific substance alone? J Wakefield and Danger Dassie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Wakefield Posted September 8, 2022 Share 11 minutes ago, Shebeen said: I'm guessing the lab test is quite complicated. You're looking for 100s of banned substances so probably run a range of tests and maybe even in batches, not just like checking the pH in your pool. BUT does a B sample get fast tracked, and can they just run the test for the specific substance alone? Correct and if they are specifically looking for a certain substance then it may take little longer. B sample is tested yes, but if that is also positive, then there is a legal process and so forth. The process yes takes time, more so that the general public like - also here clearly - but the processes are this: Imagine your cycling favourite returns a positive, would you not want a fair and legal process to protect themselves best as possible incase that is contamination or similar events for example? Or better yet, put yourself in the said athletes shoes, how would you want the process to happen to be air against yourself? Much like being caught stealing at work....Simply be fired cause the pencils were in your desk drawer? Links MTB, DieselnDust, ChrisF and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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