Max Headroom Posted February 3, 2023 Share Now you can lube your chain for your next (about 8 ) rides for only R 1000 (R 125 per ride) (but you will go very fast 😉)  Edited February 3, 2023 by Max Headroom spelling Schnavel, DieselnDust and M L 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinnekop Posted February 3, 2023 Share Watts friction loss on this is apparently not too bad. But not awesome reviews in general. UFO Drip is also in that region but at least they get good reviews. Absoluteblack with their GRAPHENLUBE is $140 for 140ml.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinnekop Posted February 3, 2023 Share https://bikerumor.com/best-bike-chain-lubes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted February 3, 2023 Share Guarantee the first time you go ride and have it with you there will be some oke in the riding group asking if anyone has some chain lube for him. He will then proceed to dump way too much on his chain and fling it all over the floor... Hairy, Eddy Gordo and Max Headroom 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 3, 2023 Share Cyclists still falling for outrageous marketing claims shocker Skylark, Prince Albert Cycles, Hairy and 5 others 2 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenplumb Posted February 3, 2023 Share I would say try and use squirt and then you are supporting a local company. They have done a fair bit of R&D and their product compares favourably with the competition. We have looked into a dyno jig for them to test this analytically and the levels of friction are so low that even the best guys are battling to spec a system that will measure the friction losses/improvements reliably without averaging the heck out of the measurements. The signal is literally in the noise floor. So i am not too convinced that one product will be much better than another, but I do like to support a local company when possible. We have not actually done any business with them yet, just looked at the specs they will require, so its not like I have a financial interest in supporting them. Skylark, Shebeen and Wannabe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertWhitehead Posted February 3, 2023 Share I struggle to understand: 1) Some of the cycling community believe that using any chain lube is favorable to your drive train & insist on using some or other nicely packaged product (+/-R10 000.00). 2) Then in the same breath those same people could not be bothered what the local mechanic throws into their cars (+/- R500 000.00).  The mind boggles DieselnDust, Schnavel, Hairy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted February 3, 2023 Share Friction Facts did a comprehensive test on a range of lubes, both Squirt and Smoove came out in the top results overall. I’ll say stick with that. Ta https://cyclingtips.com/2018/03/fast-chain-lube-that-saves-you-money/ https://cyclingtips.com/tag/friction-facts/ Hairy, Nico van Loggerenberg and ChUkKy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 3, 2023 Share 37 minutes ago, stephenplumb said: I would say try and use squirt and then you are supporting a local company. They have done a fair bit of R&D and their product compares favourably with the competition. We have looked into a dyno jig for them to test this analytically and the levels of friction are so low that even the best guys are battling to spec a system that will measure the friction losses/improvements reliably without averaging the heck out of the measurements. The signal is literally in the noise floor. So i am not too convinced that one product will be much better than another, but I do like to support a local company when possible. We have not actually done any business with them yet, just looked at the specs they will require, so its not like I have a financial interest in supporting them. what sort of "Dyno Jig" are you referring to? A simple BOCLE (Ball On Cyclinder Lubricity Evaluator) or HFRR ( High Frequency Reciprocating Rig) testing according to ASTM D6078 and D6079 for low viscosity Lubes and Falex Pin and Vee block methods ASTM D2625, D2670 and D3233 methods for more viscous lubricants and fluids are established, industry standard tests. Why do you need a "dyno jig..."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 3, 2023 Share 37 minutes ago, RobertWhitehead said: I struggle to understand: 1) Some of the cycling community believe that using any chain lube is favorable to your drive train & insist on using some or other nicely packaged product (+/-R10 000.00). 2) Then in the same breath those same people could not be bothered what the local mechanic throws into their cars (+/- R500 000.00).  The mind boggles that because your mechanics doesn't use words like, Anti friction, wear defeating, anti matter and wouldn't dare name his business absolute <insert favourite colour/dish/fetish here>. Instead your car mechanics uses words like C.O.D, Cash, yet charges you less per hour of labour than your bicycle mechanic, less per liter of Oil and grease and less per gram of neoprene /nitrile rubber than the chemist Add in some colour and okes lose their minds to he point wives have to intervene with their lawyer The Ouzo, Hairy, Zebra and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelbiker Posted February 3, 2023 Share 22 minutes ago, DieselnDust said: what sort of "Dyno Jig" are you referring to? A simple BOCLE (Ball On Cyclinder Lubricity Evaluator) or HFRR ( High Frequency Reciprocating Rig) testing according to ASTM D6078 and D6079 for low viscosity Lubes and Falex Pin and Vee block methods ASTM D2625, D2670 and D3233 methods for more viscous lubricants and fluids are established, industry standard tests. Why do you need a "dyno jig..."? There was a pretty good podcast on the reasons the methods of testing lubes you mentioned aren’t useful for chains on a bicycle. One thing that stands out for me, is that you can pick either high efficiency or high longevity but not both. If you’re into this sort of thing I recommend giving it a listen: https://cyclingtips.com/2021/08/nerd-alert-podcast-separating-chain-lube-testing-fact-from-fiction/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 3, 2023 Share 2 minutes ago, michaelbiker said: There was a pretty good podcast on the reasons the methods of testing lubes you mentioned aren’t useful for chains on a bicycle. One thing that stands out for me, is that you can pick either high efficiency or high longevity but not both. If you’re into this sort of thing I recommend giving it a listen: https://cyclingtips.com/2021/08/nerd-alert-podcast-separating-chain-lube-testing-fact-from-fiction/   I did and the main thing is marketing. For slow moving equipment we actually prefer things like Penetration test, film strength ( Falex methods).For chain lubes things like bulk modulus come into play, compression strength. Flow is almost non existent so even viscosity isn't important but the higher the better generally (for a chain lube) Bicycle chains have more in common with Mining equipment than engine oils, hydraulic fluids or cutting fluids since hydrodynamic lubrication never comes into play. there is some Extreme pressure regime gong on but by and large its all about bulk modulus vs lubricity under load. However for the purpose of evaluating pure lubricity these tests are relevant by virtue of other properties not being accurately represented by the manufacturer. The reason I'll chose Squirt over the other products is because it was developed by guys who actually worked in Lubricants and Wax manufacturing at SASOL. They have industry knowledge, they have chemicals knowledge, ie. as far as the bike industry goes, they're the Hambini of chain lubes  BrentCGP and Hairy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 3, 2023 Share 41 minutes ago, DieselnDust said: what sort of "Dyno Jig" are you referring to? A simple BOCLE (Ball On Cyclinder Lubricity Evaluator) or HFRR ( High Frequency Reciprocating Rig) testing according to ASTM D6078 and D6079 for low viscosity Lubes and Falex Pin and Vee block methods ASTM D2625, D2670 and D3233 methods for more viscous lubricants and fluids are established, industry standard tests. Why do you need a "dyno jig..."? I was just about to state the same. Wayne pudding Mol, Zebra and RustyHWR 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 3, 2023 Share 5 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:   I did and the main thing is marketing. For slow moving equipment we actually prefer things like Penetration test, film strength ( Falex methods).For chain lubes things like bulk modulus come into play, compression strength. Flow is almost non existent so even viscosity isn't important but the higher the better generally (for a chain lube) Bicycle chains have more in common with Mining equipment than engine oils, hydraulic fluids or cutting fluids since hydrodynamic lubrication never comes into play. there is some Extreme pressure regime gong on but by and large its all about bulk modulus vs lubricity under load. However for the purpose of evaluating pure lubricity these tests are relevant by virtue of other properties not being accurately represented by the manufacturer. The reason I'll chose Squirt over the other products is because it was developed by guys who actually worked in Lubricants and Wax manufacturing at SASOL. They have industry knowledge, they have chemicals knowledge, ie. as far as the bike industry goes, they're the Hambini of chain lubes  Fook you .... I am not slow moving ..... though I would like to say that I use Squirt for those exact same technical reasons, but I use it because it works, and the price is reasonable. TheoG and DieselnDust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ouzo Posted February 3, 2023 Share I've been using squirt since I bought my current chain. I've been happy with it so far. Doesnt attract to much dirt. Done just over 3000km with it and when I measured 200km ago it was not showing signs of ware. Glad to see it scores well in the linked tests. dasilvarsa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasilvarsa Posted February 3, 2023 Share Got this Stuff From Bearing Man R250 for 500 Mils Looks Like Squirt but Smells a bit Different. Been Using it for 2 Months and I think that its Bloody Wonderful. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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