Bike shop robbery this morning in Durbanville

[dave303e]

14 hours ago, Shebeen said:

All rather hectic, not much you can really do to stop this at 6am.

 

other bike?

A bill drill from concealment is around 2,5-3,5 seconds for most. Even in a seated position I have seen sub 3 second bill drills.

This guy gives a full 5 second opportunity while he clears and loads his weapon. This is one of those situations where the perp was very lucky there was no one aware of their surroundings and competently carrying...

 

[DieselnDust]

i am becoming a big advocate for carrying an blowing these phu4253 wits away

There is no deterrent so they feel no risk

[Michael Dewing]

55 minutes ago, dave303e said:

A bill drill from concealment is around 2,5-3,5 seconds for most. Even in a seated position I have seen sub 3 second bill drills.

This guy gives a full 5 second opportunity while he clears and loads his weapon. This is one of those situations where the perp was very lucky there was no one aware of their surroundings and competently carrying...

 

It’s where he would have died 

[Shebeen]

1 hour ago, dave303e said:

A bill drill from concealment is around 2,5-3,5 seconds for most. Even in a seated position I have seen sub 3 second bill drills.

This guy gives a full 5 second opportunity while he clears and loads his weapon. This is one of those situations where the perp was very lucky there was no one aware of their surroundings and competently carrying...

 

ok. I'm assuming bill drill is some sort of gun/self defence maneouver. I don't think many cyclists even know what that means, and robbing coffee drinking cyclists is hardly ever going to see retaliation of equal force. These cowboys don't seem to know what they're doing, but he wasn't scared to fire into the roof and didn't flinch so he'll do it again.

but ja, on reflection a security gate with striker lock might not be the worst idea here - guys are soft targets and that would make it just a little bit harder to walk in and guns blaze.

 

sorry for the shop, even more hurdles to running a legitimate business.

 

 

[Robbie Stewart]

It looks like the perp only had one round in that mag because the slide opened after he fired the gun, and if you slowly look at the footage you can see him waving the gun with it loudly indicating that no more rounds were available. At the very least, he would not be able to fire off another shot without first clearing the jam if he did have more rounds. More than enough time for a competent carrier to end this before it got out of hand, but alas, cyclists don't carry. 

[Sandro]

I hope that clown with the gun meets the most dragged out and excruciating painful death possible. Its time we put some use to use etoll gantries and hang criminals like this from them. MAYBE that might be a deterrent. FAFO.

[Bro Derek]

I always love all the Jean-Claudes that pop up when stuff like this happens
 

Guys, shooting that chap would ruin your life. Unless you've shot other people before, seeing someone get hit with a bullet is hectic, especially at such close range

Also, if desperate, drugged or having an adrenal spike, the perp might just beat you to death while bleeding out while you slip around in your carbon tap shoes looking like a drunk Michael Flatly

Give them your stuff. Being a hero for replaceable stuff isn't worth it. Does it suck? Yes

Is it worth ruining your life? No

I say this regarding trauma, investigations and the whole toot in mind, not one specific thing. Very few people can shoot someone and not be a little messed up, and if you can, then you probably need therapy more than someone who does but can't/shouldn't.

[Zebra]

57 minutes ago, Robbie Stewart said:

... but alas, cyclists don't carry. 

s-o-m-e cyclists don't carry - I know of 2 that do...down here in Slaapstad...

[Shebeen]

1 hour ago, Bro Derek said:

I always love all the Jean-Claudes that pop up when stuff like this happens
 

Guys, shooting that chap would ruin your life. Unless you've shot other people before, seeing someone get hit with a bullet is hectic, especially at such close range

Also, if desperate, drugged or having an adrenal spike, the perp might just beat you to death while bleeding out while you slip around in your carbon tap shoes looking like a drunk Michael Flatly

Give them your stuff. Being a hero for replaceable stuff isn't worth it. Does it suck? Yes

Is it worth ruining your life? No

I say this regarding trauma, investigations and the whole toot in mind, not one specific thing. Very few people can shoot someone and not be a little messed up, and if you can, then you probably need therapy more than someone who does but can't/shouldn't.

Exactly. As hardcore as this is, I don't see CT cyclists rushing off en masse to get gun licences. It's not a logical reaction, but the gun folk have made up their minds already so we'll never get consensus on this one.

 

 

 

[Shebeen]

22 hours ago, Barry said:

 

Looks like these were the two bike's that were taken.

https://bikehub.co.za/stolen-bikes/3649/morewood-softail

@The B any further perspective on this incident from you might be quite useful, but totally understand if you don't want to talk about it.

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, Bro Derek said:

I always love all the Jean-Claudes that pop up when stuff like this happens
 

Guys, shooting that chap would ruin your life. Unless you've shot other people before, seeing someone get hit with a bullet is hectic, especially at such close range

Also, if desperate, drugged or having an adrenal spike, the perp might just beat you to death while bleeding out while you slip around in your carbon tap shoes looking like a drunk Michael Flatly

Give them your stuff. Being a hero for replaceable stuff isn't worth it. Does it suck? Yes

Is it worth ruining your life? No

I say this regarding trauma, investigations and the whole toot in mind, not one specific thing. Very few people can shoot someone and not be a little messed up, and if you can, then you probably need therapy more than someone who does but can't/shouldn't.

Bro, there are plenty Gen X ers here who served their two years  in a tropical savannah and some might have fired any thing from a 7.62mm to a 105mm at an enemy

[Bro Derek]

4 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

Bro, there are plenty Gen X ers here who served their two years  in a tropical savannah and some might have fired any thing from a 7.62mm to a 105mm at an enemy

Absolutely

'The enemy!' hahahahaha die rooi gevaar

There are also many commenting that did not. 

I'd also hazard a guess that there are very few people here who have seen close action and witnessed gun shot victims from 3m who would act to disarm, attack or shoot anyone in that situation.

Chuck Norris is dead and he isn't commenting on Bikehub.

I'll leave it there. I'd bet a lot of money that when a man in a mask is waving a gun at you in a closed room close enough to hit you with it, all the commenters here would freeze or hit the floor and give their things away so fast the CCTV would struggle to capture it.

But it's easy to regurgitate training and situational drills from the office/farm/home like you've done it often or would do it with ease

'I'd just shoot that guy if I were there' says everyone who has never shot anyone.... or a sociopath

[ChrisF]

3 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

Bro, there are plenty Gen X ers here who served their two years  in a tropical savannah and some might have fired any thing from a 7.62mm to a 105mm at an enemy

 

I am from that era .... heck, age 13 we had our rifle shooting sessions at school during cadette sessions .... imagine telling the young ones we were taught gun safety and how to shoot rifles from Std 6 ... now grade 8

 

I also remember my friends with "bom skok", now called PTSD. .... seeing the impact it has on normal humans when they have to take another's life up close and personal ....  more than a year later my BIL was working in Cape Town, back when we had a fly by for the opening of parleament .... he was in a bundle under his desc, a total wreck for a few days . ...

 

PTSD is a lady dog .....

 

 

 

Yes, if you are comfortable with guns ... your choise.  But somebody to now go buy a gun as a knee jerk reaction .... couple of gun shops are affiliated to shooting ranges, many have the option to "rent" a gun for a session at their range.  Money well spent if you are new to guns .... get a "feel" for the weight, the action, the operation, etc .... you will (should) also get a fair share of gun safety .... pay attention to the procedures of if having to be in a safe or on your person ... try this process with a similar object AND weight for a few weeks ....  

 

The ability to use it in an instant, high on adrenaline, ..... this requires a very special person and a ton of training.

 

 

Just some real world thoughts from somebody that used fire arms for some 30 years.  And from seeing friends fight their PTSD demons for decades.  Personally I have never shot a human, thought there have been defensive situations with loaded and cocked guns.

 

 

PS - sorry for the abuse of the term "guns".  If you know, then you know ...  if not, read up on:

. Revolver

. Pistol

. Rifle

. Shotgun

 

 

My most loved firearm was a twin barrel riffle, vertical arrangement.  .222 bullet in the top barrel and a 410 shot gun round in the bottom barrel.  Had lots of fun with it on the farm.  Sadly had to put down a few problem animals .... haunts me to this day.  As much as I love biltong, I wont ever go hunting.

 

 

As much as all the above is true .... my blood boils about this incident as much as it boils about the lovely routes we can no longer cycle safely .... If a perp got his due street justice served, I will be a happy man.  More along these lines may be misinterpreted .....

[lenzman]

Casually wearing Nike plakkies on a robbery...

Heart rate at 180 bpm when the shot went off

[mazambaan]

19 hours ago, Bro Derek said:

I always love all the Jean-Claudes that pop up when stuff like this happens
 

Guys, shooting that chap would ruin your life. Unless you've shot other people before, seeing someone get hit with a bullet is hectic, especially at such close range

Also, if desperate, drugged or having an adrenal spike, the perp might just beat you to death while bleeding out while you slip around in your carbon tap shoes looking like a drunk Michael Flatly

Give them your stuff. Being a hero for replaceable stuff isn't worth it. Does it suck? Yes

Is it worth ruining your life? No

I say this regarding trauma, investigations and the whole toot in mind, not one specific thing. Very few people can shoot someone and not be a little messed up, and if you can, then you probably need therapy more than someone who does but can't/shouldn't.

As in all cases, speak for yourself and all evil needs to triumph is for god men to do nothing. Your choice.  Carrying is not for me now, although tempted now and again but in a life or death situation? I always refer to the mountain biker who killed a few would be robbers with a knife (but he was prepared and trained).

[Bro Derek]

25 minutes ago, mazambaan said:

As in all cases, speak for yourself and all evil needs to triumph is for god men to do nothing. Your choice.  Carrying is not for me now, although tempted now and again but in a life or death situation? I always refer to the mountain biker who killed a few would be robbers with a knife (but he was prepared and trained).

I mean, this phrase in itself is a well debated farse which has no actual origin other JFK, an American President justifying war on foreign soil, misattributing it to Edmund Burke.

There are other sayings like 'pick your battles' and 'An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind' which are just as famous and preach a completely different side to the coin.

PTSD/Trauma and the spiral into desolation is real. One finds oneself struggling to connect to the real world, holding onto threads for just long enough to realise you need to join all the others who didn't get sufficient counseling or can't live with what they saw and did as a mercenary or private security in the middle east or central africa trying to feel alive.

This is a throw back to war, which is also very different to taking a life in civilization. 

Also, you know the guy from the Giba incident had/has cases of murder and attempted murder against his name?