Cape Town danger areas

[milky4130]

15 minutes ago, olmec said:

Would you mind marking this on the map please? I'm not sure where Bridle path is?

 

[mikkelz]

7 hours ago, Murrob said:

Yeah, gotta say, this needs quick and proper intervention by the authorities, which seems unlikely. 

Are they even aware of it? Are you going to contact “them”?

I emailed everyone I could think of re: Helshoogte (many emails went unanswered), but when I did eventually get a reply, it didn't seem as if there was much awareness to the situation.

Are the police even involved in these most recent kidnapping attempts? Why is there no news about it.

Unfortunately so much of what is discussed here remains in a tiny bubble. We've got to keep making a noise about this and not on here only.

[McD23]

1 hour ago, milky4130 said:

They didn't use the bridle path, if that's the one that goes down to constantia

They came of the mountain Hout Bay side and down into Donke Yatse in IY. They were observed and one identified. HBay Saps was actively trying to locate him today.

San parks is aware and is allocating resource with Saps for weekend operations. They were actually doing a combined operation at the time of the mugging. Reality is unless you have a drone, finding 3 guys on the mountain side with a few people committed to the cause is not easy.

The perps have the advantage of sitting and observing from vantage points often and then moving accordingly to avoid the resources trying to locate them.

[gkp]

Agreed - apparently, they legged it down to HB. Glad to hear they were identified - Deon was busy with SAPS and SanParks when we contacted him. But, if you go to the area - it's a mugger's paradise - lots of cover, a good few escape routes, slow cyclists (going uphill), and you do have the advantage of checking things out both up and down-hill.

[Murrob]

Well, I would assume and hope the victims have now involved police.  I was passing on the messages in the Paarl cycling groups that I belong to as received. I have also posed the question previously on this very thread when Helshoogte started kicking off again, as to your point, and I ask again, where are PPA and CSA in all of this? How can we get them to lobby on our behalf as cyclists to get this the attention from the powers that be to get some kind of action going. Does anyone have contacts? 

I did, as an aside, drive up to the top of Franschoek pass this afternoon and noted what looked like a CPF member parked off to the side about half way up keeping an eye out and there a couple of police vehicle on main road hopefully patrolling and heading up the pass.

33 minutes ago, mikkelz said:

Are they even aware of it? Are you going to contact “them”?

I emailed everyone I could think of re: Helshoogte (many emails went unanswered), but when I did eventually get a reply, it didn't seem as if there was much awareness to the situation.

Are the police even involved in these most recent kidnapping attempts? Why is there no news about it.

Unfortunately so much of what is discussed here remains in a tiny bubble. We've got to keep making a noise about this and not on here only.

 

[milky4130]

33 minutes ago, McD23 said:

They didn't use the bridle path, if that's the one that goes down to constantia

They came of the mountain Hout Bay side and down into Donke Yatse in IY. They were observed and one identified. HBay Saps was actively trying to locate him today.

San parks is aware and is allocating resource with Saps for weekend operations. They were actually doing a combined operation at the time of the mugging. Reality is unless you have a drone, finding 3 guys on the mountain side with a few people committed to the cause is not easy.

The perps have the advantage of sitting and observing from vantage points often and then moving accordingly to avoid the resources trying to locate them.

I was only pointing out to olmec where the bridal pass is since he asked

[mp321]

Why does PPA just not contract a security company in like ADT and station them at a hotspot area on weekends for example, Kayamandi, foot of helshoogte as a start. I happily pay extra on my PPA membership for that to happen. To wait for the police to action any type of plan ain’t going to happen. 

[Mamil]

Pulled the trigger on an el cheapo smartphone. I have a discovery credit card i use to run household expenses and I've loaded that on it so I have something to give these assholes. My main banking app I will leave at home.

This stuff is only going to get worse and worse in the coming years unfortunately.

I wonder what insurance would say to a claim of this nature?

[DJR]

46 minutes ago, mp321 said:

Why does PPA just not contract a security company in like ADT and station them at a hotspot area on weekends for example, Kayamandi, foot of helshoogte as a start. I happily pay extra on my PPA membership for that to happen. To wait for the police to action any type of plan ain’t going to happen. 

Policing is not a function of the PPA. Advocating for cycling safety is. So, i.m.h.o. the question should be: Why don't the PPA arrange for a massive protest at the relevant police stations?

Edit: I say, invite the downhillers also.........it will be rowdy enough to grab international attention! (Just kinda kidding all ye wild ones!)

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by DJR

[mp321]

Protest will help nothing and thinking the police will do anything is living in a dream world.  PPA should engage with local government and get private security at hotspots off the ground. 

[gkp]

2 hours ago, Mamil said:

Pulled the trigger on an el cheapo smartphone. I have a discovery credit card i use to run household expenses and I've loaded that on it so I have something to give these assholes. My main banking app I will leave at home.

This stuff is only going to get worse and worse in the coming years unfortunately.

I wonder what insurance would say to a claim of this nature?

Good strategy - no jewellery and cheap burner phone. In places like Tokai I doubt they will go for the bike - too tricky to carry downhill. Be sure to test your burner phone every now and then - I found mine had been blocked by the caring cellphone company due to lack of activity/possible fraudulent activity....wtf?  

[The Ouzo]

34 minutes ago, gkp said:

Good strategy - no jewellery and cheap burner phone. In places like Tokai I doubt they will go for the bike - too tricky to carry downhill. Be sure to test your burner phone every now and then - I found mine had been blocked by the caring cellphone company due to lack of activity/possible fraudulent activity....wtf?  

a few years back I bought a small little phone off One Day Only. It about twice the size of a USB stick, looks like an old Nokia. I bought it to tuck into my bibs somewhere in case of getting mugged. Except I never bothered to get a sim for it so never used it.

But its a good option to look at, cheap, basic, but usable to call for help and small enough to hide somewhere on you so that if mugged you "dont have a phone with you"

[Skubarra]

The one problem with the burner phones I have seen is the extra admin involved if you ride in groups. Often the other people in the group won't have the burner number or the person with the burner phone doesn't have the numbers of the people in the group. Burner number would also not be in the watsapp groups used to communicate. So if you/him are late for a ride or something come up during the ride there is no way to contact mr Burner phone unless he made sure everyone has his number.

[ChrisF]

On 6/18/2024 at 10:36 AM, Skubarra said:

The one problem with the burner phones I have seen is the extra admin involved if you ride in groups. Often the other people in the group won't have the burner number or the person with the burner phone doesn't have the numbers of the people in the group. Burner number would also not be in the watsapp groups used to communicate. So if you/him are late for a ride or something come up during the ride there is no way to contact mr Burner phone unless he made sure everyone has his number.

 

All my cycling buddies KNOW my "fiets-foon" only gets switched on the morning of the ride.

 

Arrangements for the ride is done on the normal phone, and the last hour they know to contact me via the pre-paid phone.

 

EASY in this era of just adding one more number to the WA group.

 

 

In terms of MTN:

- You MUST make a call every two weeks to keep the phone active.  (I now have a permanent reminder popping up on my home laptop every second Sunday)

- DATA ... this used to be a royal pain as it lapsed while the phone was switched off .... I do have a MTN contract, which allows me to set up a number of beneficiaries for DATA.  The prepaid phone now always has data, and the little bit I use makes no difference to my normal account.

 

Not sure how Vodacom and the others works with a pre-paid phone which is only used every so often.

 

 

EDIT - Had a look at the current policies of MTN regarding airtime validity time on pre-paid -

Edited June 19, 2024 by ChrisF

[Simon123]

This Franschhoek Pass thing has me going WTF!    (and the mast one, especially as I was contemplating my annual ride up in the next week or so - by myself, but the Franschhoek Pass one is WTF!).

 

This should not be a difficult sting.   Rider on comms ambling up looking fabulous (it is pride month) and then back down.  An hour later, same someone else.  Rinse repeat with cops / etc at top and bottom in plain clothes / cars that can block the road or give chase once it goes down.   

A proper sting and grabbing of these ***** very publicaly will send a message.    But will our province and police just ignore, because, hey, it's work?  If they could be hurt or bleeding afterwards, that's a bonus.

 

[Simon123]

Double post because I'm an idiot.

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Simon123
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