Cape Town danger areas

[Wannabe]

Reply removed due to a first hand account of events that was posted.

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Wannabe
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[robbybzgo]

14 minutes ago, Duane_Bosch said:

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES CYCLE PAST IY. They ARE waiting for you. it IS coordinated and the police are USELESS!!

I trust that the local CPF hasn't been infiltrated by gangsters.

Can someone from this area get them to comment on this forum??

[MarcW]

Just now, Wannabe said:

The account of events I heard that it was around 09h00 and about 500m around the corner from the Chapmanspeak Hotel, at the first rise in incline as you start on Chappies. One perp in the road, grabbed her gravel bike, she fell and hit her head. She's concussed, and unclear about the sequence of events from there on. She did not sustain serious injuries.

What confuses me is that it is said the perp disappeared into the squatter camp with her bike, but I'm not aware of any squatter camps in that immediate area?? 

@Duane_Bosch post above clears up the location etc. Thanks to him for helping her out and thinking better of going into IY alone! 

[Duane_Bosch]

1 hour ago, MarcW said:

@Duane_Bosch post above clears up the location etc. Thanks to him for helping her out and thinking better of going into IY alone! 

The little circle is where the attack happened. The arrows are the route the perp took into IY. The arrows end where I came to my senses and realized I was unarmed with no flankers headed for ****.

To re iterate. Don't ride past IY under any circumstances. Rather go Empire and onto Valley road. from my understanding there have been at least 3 incidence of this nature on that stretch of road in the last 2 days.

It's literally 50m from a police station and there are cctv cams covering that bit of road. These okes don't give a funk

Edited December 27, 2023 by Duane_Bosch

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

if the Hout Bay Cycling Club is still active in IY i'm sure they will be able to assist. items are stolen because there is a market for them. 

[Stephan]

100m from where I got mugged two years ago.

 

7 hours ago, Duane_Bosch said:

The little circle is where the attack happened. The arrows are the route the perp took into IY. The arrows end where I came to my senses and realized I was unarmed with no flankers headed for ****.

To re iterate. Don't ride past IY under any circumstances. Rather go Empire and onto Valley road. from my understanding there have been at least 3 incidence of this nature on that stretch of road in the last 2 days.

It's literally 50m from a police station and there are cctv cams covering that bit of road. These okes don't give a funk

I never ride past IY if alone. Even in a large group I feel nervous. Riding past IY and any other informal settlement is just playing Russian roulette. 

[Bonus]

21 hours ago, Duane_Bosch said:

The little circle is where the attack happened. The arrows are the route the perp took into IY. The arrows end where I came to my senses and realized I was unarmed with no flankers headed for ****.

To re iterate. Don't ride past IY under any circumstances. Rather go Empire and onto Valley road. from my understanding there have been at least 3 incidence of this nature on that stretch of road in the last 2 days.

It's literally 50m from a police station and there are cctv cams covering that bit of road. These okes don't give a funk

 

It looks like the attack happened 100m from SAPS Hout Bay Police Station???? 

[DJR]

On 12/28/2023 at 12:08 PM, Bonus said:

 

It looks like the attack happened 100m from SAPS Hout Bay Police Station???? 

Now, just to put this into perspective, soon after that traffic circle was built right in front of the SAPS fortress, a whole forest of Dagga sprouted there. Yes, in the middle of the traffic island, and the cops never saw a thing until it was about head high and made it into the newspapers with a cool picture of the dagga and the SAPS in the background. They have not improved since then. 

Edit: I'm not crusading agains dagga, just mentioning it to demonstrate how blind the SAPS is.

Edit again: Found it, ha ha, NOTHING ever disappears on the web

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/dagga-growing-under-noses-of-police-301492

Edited December 29, 2023 by DJR

[Wannabe]

2 hours ago, DJR said:

Now, just to put this into perspective, soon after that traffic circle was built right in front of the SAPS fortress, a whole forest of Dagga sprouted there. Yes, in the middle of the traffic island, and the cops never saw a thing until it was about head high and made it into the newspapers with a cool picture of the dagga and the SAPS in the background. They have not improved since then. 

Edit: I'm not crusading agains dagga, just mentioning it to demenstrate how blind the SAPS is.

Edit again: Found it, ha ha, NOTHING ever disappears on the web

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/dagga-growing-under-noses-of-police-301492

And the thought never crossed your mind that it might have been their crop growing there...... 

 

[DJR]

38 minutes ago, Wannabe said:

And the thought never crossed your mind that it might have been their crop growing there...... 

 

The thought DID cross my mind briefly, but I didn't think they would be THAT enterprizing

[Bonus]

23 hours ago, DJR said:

....... They have not improved since then. 

 

Set the bar low and then maintain it hey? 🙂

[Duane_Bosch]

On 12/28/2023 at 12:08 PM, Bonus said:

 

It looks like the attack happened 100m from SAPS Hout Bay Police Station???? 

Some good news to this story.

The bike was recovered yesterday by SAPS and a suspect arrested. From what I understand it's not the actual perp but a middle man/trader. I made contact with the cyclist involved and she in turn got hold of SAPS.

[McD23]

On 12/27/2023 at 12:47 PM, robbybzgo said:

The local CPF need to pull their fingers out their...*

They should organise an operation to trap the perps with SAPS. Also the local security companies operating in the area should strategically position their vehicles to either observe for perps and/or inform cyclists of an alternative route during the known hours of these muggings. Warning signage is also an option. Positioning of CCTV cameras funded by the local community/ businesses to actively monitor the hot spots.

BukeHub has a great following. It's about time the membership be used to create petitions to activate authorities to get off their )*( 's and do something about the problem.

Easier said than done..

HBAY has a active NHW, CPF and very committed and well resourced community crime prevention outfit called CCP, along with above average SSP's.

SAPS is under resourced by about 40 staff members in that station. Often they only have 3 officers on a shift at night. 2 have to be in CSC at all times, policy is 2 per vehicle to respond.  Do the math to that problem..

Numerous attempts have been made to catch the perps involving private SSP's and SAPS. All parties are actively patrolling that area at high risk times.

Reality is, you have committed and experienced totsis,  willing and able.

They sit ,wait and take opportunities when they present. It takes all of 45 seconds to move from a vantage point out of site, to striking and dissappearing back into a sea of shacks and 20 000 people.

Easy to say what should happen, not so easy to be successful in that.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2024 by McD23

[robbybzgo]

2 minutes ago, McD23 said:

Easy to say what should happen, not so easy to be successful in that.

Maybe they should try and recruit informers (what's the expression - it takes a thief to catch a thief??). 

Is there any way that the environment there can be made more difficult for the perps to hide. Remove trees or low walls. Also add signage of warnings to cyclists or indicate no cyclists allowed 🚳 on that road (if there is an alternative route.

[McD23]

2 minutes ago, robbybzgo said:

Maybe they should try and recruit informers (what's the expression - it takes a thief to catch a thief??). 

Is there any way that the environment there can be made more difficult for the perps to hide. Remove trees or low walls. Also add signage of warnings to cyclists or indicate no cyclists allowed 🚳 on that road (if there is an alternative route.

I'm a Reservists at SAPS HBay, and was one of the officers that recovered the bike. We got lucky because they where moving it to sell it, after have kept it hidden since the incident. 

Without sounding condescending,  i don't think the general public has any idea how under resourced SAPS is on the ground and how in reality overwhelmed they are. And that's in WC station. Believe me when I say the saying 'thin blue line' is very appt. Support your SSP'S,  local crime fighting entities and CPF's, they will be the deciding factor between communities overun with crime and those that manage it too a tolerable level. If you think things are going to get better on the crime front, I'm afraid your naive or going to be disappointed. 

[robbybzgo]

2 minutes ago, McD23 said:

Believe me when I say the saying 'thin blue line' is very appt. 

I'm with the Pinetown Central CPF and hugely aware of staff and vehicle shortages. Our stats are often in the top 30 in the country .

We are fortunate to have the buy in from about 8 local security companies who offer their services for patrolling duties and combine with SAPS for organised ops. I agree, it's an uphill battle.