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Just to remind everybody that this thread was just about a curiosity of others TSS score.

 

 

Correct but that info and post from a Hubber is useless if all things aren't correctly measured or inserted to give a proper value.

 

Perfect example was shown yesterday which lead to others noting that and asking for correct way to get values so future posts are correct.

 

Its the hub, you always start with a post on Woolworths food and end up 7994 pages later with NASA launch codes.

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When doing 4min efforts at V02 I personally tell athletes to go as hard as they can that is sustainable. Typically this is done at 115% + well thats what I prescribe to clients.

 

The importance comes in when doing those also to take into consideration is the recovery between each interval. I would prescribe 2.5-3min max between. I would also go to a minimum of 6 x 4 wth a max of 8 x 4. Not really 4 x 4. I use a 4 x 4min @105% during a taper type / pre race session.

 

The % of when a interval becomes useless is when you not hitting the required numbers or zones - typically if a athlete is 10% off I tell them to stop to a degree. There are many factors why but I use the 10% rule. Also if there is a drop from 1st to last of 10% +.

 

Hope this answers the question?

Totally! Thanks so much! Much appreciated

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Correct but that info and post from a Hubber is useless if all things aren't correctly measured or inserted to give a proper value.

 

Perfect example was shown yesterday which lead to others noting that and asking for correct way to get values so future posts are correct.

 

Its the hub, you always start with a post on Woolworths food and end up 7994 pages later with NASA launch codes.

 

Chirp of the day

Hehehe

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Totally! Thanks so much! Much appreciated

the Hunter book about training with a PM gives the same advice, but specifies that one looks at the second interval as a benchmark, this is due to being fresh when completing the first. So if you've dropped by more than 10% from your second interval might as well call it.
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When doing 4min efforts at V02 I personally tell athletes to go as hard as they can that is sustainable. Typically this is done at 115% + well thats what I prescribe to clients.

 

The importance comes in when doing those also to take into consideration is the recovery between each interval. I would prescribe 2.5-3min max between. I would also go to a minimum of 6 x 4 wth a max of 8 x 4. Not really 4 x 4. I use a 4 x 4min @105% during a taper type / pre race session.

 

The % of when a interval becomes useless is when you not hitting the required numbers or zones - typically if a athlete is 10% off I tell them to stop to a degree. There are many factors why but I use the 10% rule. Also if there is a drop from 1st to last of 10% +.

 

Hope this answers the question?

Per Edwards' second video re ftp today vs ftp next week vs two weeks ago...I would assume then that you carry on with your workout and hit the best numbers you can for the timeframe, as your ftp could've drifted as per the video.

 

Thanks for sharing on the forum. Much appreciated.

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When you come back from a training ride which was suppose to be LSD for 3hrs but ended up being a 3hr IF of 0.91 then you know the rest of the wknd's planned training is pretty much screwed

Or your FTP is wrong and needs to be increased!

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the Hunter book about training with a PM gives the same advice, but specifies that one looks at the second interval as a benchmark, this is due to being fresh when completing the first. So if you've dropped by more than 10% from your second interval might as well call it.

 

No, in some cases not always call it or use the 2nd as your benchmark, Ive had athletes have bad 1st 2 intervals and finish really strong at the end. You can often take a longer recovery period and try again for example. Happened this week with a client who went so deep on interval 1 their 2nd was 13% off, took longer period and finished the session perfectly. 

 

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Per Edwards' second video re ftp today vs ftp next week vs two weeks ago...I would assume then that you carry on with your workout and hit the best numbers you can for the timeframe, as your ftp could've drifted as per the video.

 

Thanks for sharing on the forum. Much appreciated.

 

Yes that is correct. 

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Or your FTP is wrong and needs to be increased!

Nope! I do that test every 6 to 8 weeks. This is not a normal IF for me at all. Only see it in races. It was just 1 of those rides where all 3 guys spontaneously made it super hard

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Nope! I do that test every 6 to 8 weeks. This is not a normal IF for me at all. Only see it in races. It was just 1 of those rides where all 3 guys spontaneously made it super hard

Then it didn't end up being an LSD ;)

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