Mamil Posted July 20, 2023 Share 9 minutes ago, DieselnDust said: Usually that’s for biological passport purposes That's the routine random testing? I'm curious to know if the test done straight after or before a stage actually measure haemocrit levels or whether they are just checking for the presence of a range of known substances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ouzo Posted July 20, 2023 Share did that other guy with 7 yellow jerseys hanging on his wall also claim to have been subjected to frequent drug testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted July 20, 2023 Share 2 hours ago, Mamil said: When jumbo says that ving had 4 blood tests administered in the 24 hours around the time trial do we know what those tests measure? Are they substance screens? Haemocrit levels. Is this info public? they will be checking for Whiskey. splat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted July 20, 2023 Share 1 hour ago, Shebeen said: they will be checking for Whiskey. Wasn't it Jack Daniels or Bourbon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 20, 2023 Share 3 hours ago, Mamil said: That's the routine random testing? I'm curious to know if the test done straight after or before a stage actually measure haemocrit levels or whether they are just checking for the presence of a range of known substances. No it’s not routine, it’s random when subjected to doping control the athlete can be asked to pee in the cup only or be asked for blood samples as well . Bloods are usually random at an event while the pee is routine for an event. when out of competition testing is conducted then bloods and pee are routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamil Posted July 20, 2023 Share 5 minutes ago, DieselnDust said: No it’s not routine, it’s random when subjected to doping control the athlete can be asked to pee in the cup only or be asked for blood samples as well . Bloods are usually random at an event while the pee is routine for an event. when out of competition testing is conducted then bloods and pee are routine. Do we know which tests are done on the blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ouzo Posted July 20, 2023 Share 42 minutes ago, Mamil said: Do we know which tests are done on the blood? Human / Not Human Thomo, Spookie, babse and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karma Posted July 20, 2023 Share 4 hours ago, The Ouzo said: did that other guy with 7 yellow jerseys hanging on his wall also claim to have been subjected to frequent drug testing please don't bring the greatest cyclist that ever lived into this. Zebra, DieselnDust, LBKloppers and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted July 20, 2023 Share Blood tests are normally used as markers on the bio passport, not so much as an in-competition revelation as a PR exercise, since any real doping would be out of competition. That said, such testing is not indicative of doping or suspicion thereof. Standard practice at the sharp end of a global sporting event. ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakepad Posted July 20, 2023 Share 1 hour ago, The Ouzo said: Human / Not Human They should rather check for radioactivity.... def. not Human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 20, 2023 Share 9 hours ago, Mamil said: Do we know which tests are done on the blood? Haematology isn’t my area but the main focus is on determining haematocrit level, blood plasma I.e checks for any artificial blood variants and indications of transfusions through checking various blood markers. They can also look for masking agents and look at structure of red blood cells that are anomalous. Edited July 20, 2023 by DieselnDust LBKloppers, Danger Dassie and Mamil 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love2fly Posted July 21, 2023 Share I know there's supposedly that "golden hour" recovery window but I'm often intrigued by how a team soigneur/DS will rush up to a (most often road) rider and rush to give him a can etc which gets literally downed. I know sometimes they might have run out of juice but I also wonder what Muti might be in their to either dilute or flush something....maybe I'm just skeptical.... ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 21, 2023 Share 15 minutes ago, love2fly said: I know there's supposedly that "golden hour" recovery window but I'm often intrigued by how a team soigneur/DS will rush up to a (most often road) rider and rush to give him a can etc which gets literally downed. I know sometimes they might have run out of juice but I also wonder what Muti might be in their to either dilute or flush something....maybe I'm just skeptical.... well if there's doping control then its usually water with electrolyte to help the rider pass urine. The doping control officer literally stands there waiting for you to take a slash into the cup. The riders will generally conduct a warm down and drink as much as possible, water, to get the sample out of the way as quickly as possible. If you can't pass a representative size sample they follow you around like ghosts. ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecheng89 Posted July 21, 2023 Share 46 minutes ago, love2fly said: I know there's supposedly that "golden hour" recovery window but I'm often intrigued by how a team soigneur/DS will rush up to a (most often road) rider and rush to give him a can etc which gets literally downed. I know sometimes they might have run out of juice but I also wonder what Muti might be in their to either dilute or flush something....maybe I'm just skeptical.... I think you're right to be skeptical. Unfortunately, you have to be a cynic to watch professional sport these days. love2fly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 21, 2023 Share 52 minutes ago, love2fly said: I know there's supposedly that "golden hour" recovery window but I'm often intrigued by how a team soigneur/DS will rush up to a (most often road) rider and rush to give him a can etc which gets literally downed. I know sometimes they might have run out of juice but I also wonder what Muti might be in their to either dilute or flush something....maybe I'm just skeptical.... It’s an elderberry anti-oxidant something mix that assists with inflammation etc. DieselnDust and Jewbacca 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love2fly Posted July 21, 2023 Share 16 minutes ago, mecheng89 said: I think you're right to be skeptical. Unfortunately, you have to be a cynic to watch professional sport these days. Yip, I'm with you on that and it's sad. I was LA's biggest fan and hated him for the huge betrayal, but the realisation that most were doping and time passes, mean I watch his The Move podcast religeously through each grand tour. When one competitor shines way above all the rest, I maybe default to those days of gross dishonesty. They even catch teams cheating in NASCAR and as a past motor racing competitor I've seen ways to cheat one would never dream of ...🙂 ChrisF and mecheng89 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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