Dopers suck

[J Wakefield]

20 hours ago, Irvin85 said:

A friend of mine who played Ausie Rules for South Africa, they had doping seminar in Australia where they discussed it in depth. 

Yes, like Rugby and never mind Aussie rules are clean. 

[DieselnDust]

Aussie rules , keeping Judron shorts in business since the 80’s

[bolt67]

https://drugfreesport.org.za/cases/?athlete_sport=cycling

doping amongst SA vets is high - 4 recent positive cases 

[Shebeen]

On 7/21/2023 at 7:29 PM, DieselnDust said:

who? your video is awol

You have to click on the actual link, because Olympics. FloJo.

[Danger Dassie]

2 hours ago, bolt67 said:

https://drugfreesport.org.za/cases/?athlete_sport=cycling

doping amongst SA vets is high - 4 recent positive cases 

Suppose CSA no longer publish these when notified by SAIDS.  

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, Danger Dassie said:

Suppose CSA no longer publish these when notified by SAIDS.  

I think they only post the names of riders in the Olympic categories, Vets and above are the funride categories

[mecheng89]

On 7/21/2023 at 11:46 AM, Mamil said:

If there are max haemocrit levels set and all or at least most meds act to increase this then I wonder how a doper would pass these tests? I can understand how they night risk it out of competition and train at the higher intensity but if Ving was tested 4 times in the 24 hours around the ITT I can't see how he would fool that. I don't have the medical.knowledge.to really evaluate that statement but I think I'm going to believe he's clean at this tour. 

 

[PygaSchmyga]

13 hours ago, bolt67 said:

https://drugfreesport.org.za/cases/?athlete_sport=cycling

doping amongst SA vets is high - 4 recent positive cases 

So I clicked the link for curiosity to see what other shenanigans was going on in SA sport and I must say, never did I expect to learn about the vicious competitiveness of Bowls!  I don't know any of these substances but jirre man this chick is juicing faaktap!

 

[DieselnDust]

1 hour ago, PygaSchmyga said:

So I clicked the link for curiosity to see what other shenanigans was going on in SA sport and I must say, never did I expect to learn about the vicious competitiveness of Bowls!  I don't know any of these substances but jirre man this chick is juicing faaktap!

 

If you ever played or even watched a game of bowls you will know that it’s a tensely fought competition 😂

[Jewbacca]

I see poor Shannon got bust for getting stoned after getting Judo chopped in the head.... I know a lot of people who would be on that list out of competition with THC in their systems!

[Danger Dassie]

9 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

I think they only post the names of riders in the Olympic categories, Vets and above are the funride categories

Nope, used to be across categories and disciplines, relatively consistently.  The last few years seem to be case of ‘let’s not air laundry’ attitude. 

[Spinnekop]

15 hours ago, bolt67 said:

https://drugfreesport.org.za/cases/?athlete_sport=cycling

doping amongst SA vets is high - 4 recent positive cases 

Who are these people?  Never heard of them or saw their results up high?
Why do they dope?  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Shame man. 
It's not like Vets racing is that hard.......bahahhahaha.
Old farts and their egos......

[Irvin85]

On 7/22/2023 at 10:55 AM, J Wakefield said:

Yes, like Rugby and never mind Aussie rules are clean. 

Apologies, I have to correct, it was assumed that more money is spend on masking agents than to get the cure for AIDS, not cancer. This was also in the early 2000. Unfortunately no data to back this claim up as it is not like they will disclose that type of info. 

[NGM]

On 7/21/2023 at 2:31 PM, Shebeen said:

It's not black and white. you can read Tyler Hamilton's book if you really are not sure what US Postal got up to.

guess who passed drug tests but retired in her 20s when they brought in out of competition testing

yes, those records still stand

 

 

 

That era was rife with the kind of doping most of us still associate with the word: somebody with unnecessarily large and veiny deltoids injecting anabolics in a darkened corner of some training facility. There is a brilliant book called "The dirtiest race in history" which documents the build up to the 1988 Seoul 100m finals. Only one of the 8 men who lined up that day was not caught for some form of doping. I think he came last. Ben Johnson was the most notorious of course. To cut a long story short, the Eastern Block countries were miles ahead of the game with the state sponsored programs in an effort to say "Hey look at us, Communism is the best". Coaches from the west soon figured out what they needed to do to get their athletes to keep up. If you don't know about her, look up Jarmila Kratochvilova. Her 800m record is the longest standing record in athletics I believe.

But it's not like some after school special "Don't do drugs hmmkay" scenario, it's always more complex and I came away from it actually feeling a lot of sympathy/empathy for the likes of Ben Johnson. Much the same as I did reading all of the EPO-era cycling biographies. The list of people who made it that far in the sport and then turned away once they realized what they needed to do to stay in the game is very small.

I'm sure I've posted similar versions of this story a few times. It's just really interesting to me. Sport could benefit from some sort of TRC/amnesty process IMO.

[DieselnDust]

6 minutes ago, NickGM said:

That era was rife with the kind of doping most of us still associate with the word: somebody with unnecessarily large and veiny deltoids injecting anabolics in a darkened corner of some training facility. There is a brilliant book called "The dirtiest race in history" which documents the build up to the 1988 Seoul 100m finals. Only one of the 8 men who lined up that day was not caught for some form of doping. I think he came last. Ben Johnson was the most notorious of course. To cut a long story short, the Eastern Block countries were miles ahead of the game with the state sponsored programs in an effort to say "Hey look at us, Communism is the best". Coaches from the west soon figured out what they needed to do to get their athletes to keep up. If you don't know about her, look up Jarmila Kratochvilova. Her 800m record is the longest standing record in athletics I believe.

But it's not like some after school special "Don't do drugs hmmkay" scenario, it's always more complex and I came away from it actually feeling a lot of sympathy/empathy for the likes of Ben Johnson. Much the same as I did reading all of the EPO-era cycling biographies. The list of people who made it that far in the sport and then turned away once they realized what they needed to do to stay in the game is very small.

I'm sure I've posted similar versions of this story a few times. It's just really interesting to me. Sport could benefit from some sort of TRC/amnesty process IMO.

Love this post. Totally on point without being moralistic.

[lechatnoir]

This YT channel popped up for me recently - (454) Cycling Highlights - YouTube

It's pretty hilarious. Though quite sad at the same time