Dopers suck

[Wayne pudding Mol]

Great post and I only have issue with one thing.

 

Imposing our beliefs and expectation of conduct on others.

 

I know many mtbers from the garden route area and let me tell you than KE has put in a lot in that community. From coaching for fitness to skills, to running an efficient bike shop in Plett. And this was before and after his doping conviction. You'd have to go back to a time before BikHub existed to start talking about KE and his passion for cycling. 

Ok so he doped. He got caught paid the price and is still riding his bike. 

Lets leave our own expectations for the mirror.

As my late grandmother said "be the change you want to see in the world."

 

that alone provides me with a point of reflection whenever I feel like jumping that red light, or putting voetiniehoek in a 60km/hr zone or whatever you find irksome

Whist there is nothing wrong with Grandma quoting Ghandi, it's not really a matter of perspective

 

And, KE has not paid the price - he got caught, he still rides in events - that's like being a bank robber and quitting, sorry getting nabbed, but taking up pickpocketing whilst under house arrest

Edited October 1, 2018 by Waynemol

[DieselnDust]

Whist there is nothing wrong with Grandma quoting Ghandi, it's not really a matter of perspective

 

And, KE has not paid the price - he got caught, he still rides in events - that's like being a bank robber and quitting, sorry getting nabbed, but taking up pickpocketing whilst under house arrest

 

 

No its a bit like being a bank robber, going to jail, getting out on parole, finding a job and still handling money...

[gummibear]

I'd rather see brands put support behind up and coming racers or racers that are good for the brand.No need to support dopers that had their slice of the pie already.

[Patchelicious]

Great post and I only have issue with one thing.

 

Imposing our beliefs and expectation of conduct on others.

 

I know many mtbers from the garden route area and let me tell you than KE has put in a lot in that community. From coaching for fitness to skills, to running an efficient bike shop in Plett. And this was before and after his doping conviction. You'd have to go back to a time before BikHub existed to start talking about KE and his passion for cycling.

Ok so he doped. He got caught paid the price and is still riding his bike.

Lets leave our own expectations for the mirror.

As my late grandmother said "be the change you want to see in the world."

 

that alone provides me with a point of reflection whenever I feel like jumping that red light, or putting voetiniehoek in a 60km/hr zone or whatever you find irksome

No he hasn’t paid the price. He is paying the price, and these posts are part and parcel of that price.

 

Pro athletes are quick to receive and accept adoration and positive vibes when things are good. There is a flip side to that coin though....

[Patchelicious]

No its a bit like being a bank robber, going to jail, getting out on parole, finding a job and still handling money...

He is not out on parole though, he is still serving his sanction.

[GaryvdM]

He is not out on parole though, he is still serving his sanction.

 

The guards just let him out on weekends.

[DieselnDust]

He is not out on parole though, he is still serving his sanction.

A parolee is still serving a sentence as I understand it

[Patchelicious]

A parolee is still serving a sentence as I understand it

Ok, you are right.

[Shebeen]

I do find it a bit weird how the magnifying glass does not seem to be consistent on which banned riders to pick out as the real baddies. Eddy Merkcx is still quite popular it seems.

 

So Kevin Evans has a 4 year ban, but is basically retired anyway. I think this is the first time he has really ridden a "competitive race" (Dr Evil classic + K2C). Sure he could have waited 6 more months but this race is on his doorstep. He has a bikeshop that he owns and runs in the area, do people avoid that? (It's quite a decent fietswinkel).

 

David George started a bikeshop during his 22 month ban, it's also quite a nice shop and seems to be doing well.

 

I could go on, but I don't think the level of general hate is as bad as has been made out here.

I don't see Santa Cruz owners trading their bikes in because a banned rider is on one of them.

I don't see rushsports losing too much sleep over it either - just over a year ago they did this - https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/168617-win-a-santa-cruz-and-help-build-trails-with-tokaimtb/page-1 Donate a bliksem blinged bike to build tokai trails.

 

Uh mean, Lance is the worst doper of them all.

People still ride Treks, and get into their nikes and oakleys. life gors on.

[FootballingCyclist]

Great post and I only have issue with one thing.

 

Imposing our beliefs and expectation of conduct on others.

 

I know many mtbers from the garden route area and let me tell you than KE has put in a lot in that community. From coaching for fitness to skills, to running an efficient bike shop in Plett. And this was before and after his doping conviction. You'd have to go back to a time before BikHub existed to start talking about KE and his passion for cycling. 

Ok so he doped. He got caught paid the price and is still riding his bike. 

Lets leave our own expectations for the mirror.

As my late grandmother said "be the change you want to see in the world."

 

that alone provides me with a point of reflection whenever I feel like jumping that red light, or putting voetiniehoek in a 60km/hr zone or whatever you find irksome

I wasn't trying to impose my beliefs and or expectations on anyone else, perhaps I worded it wrong.

 

If I was in his shoes, I would do/have done what I stated in my original post.

 

Hence me saying "That's just my opinion", I didn't say "We should all rather look at it like this or like that"...

 

And as I said, I dont know the bloke personally, was not aware of what he had done for the cycling community before or after he had doped, I was simply saying what I would prefer to see him doing now instead of racing for podium places. If he is doing as I suggested, then kudos to him.

 

But we are all different and that's what makes the world a lovely place, we don't all have to agree to everything just like we dont all have to like the same things, each individual can make their own choices and have their own beliefs.

[DieselnDust]

I wasn't trying to impose my beliefs and or expectations on anyone else, perhaps I worded it wrong.

 

If I was in his shoes, I would do/have done what I stated in my original post.

 

Hence me saying "That's just my opinion", I didn't say "We should all rather look at it like this or like that"...

 

And as I said, I dont know the bloke personally, was not aware of what he had done for the cycling community before or after he had doped, I was simply saying what I would prefer to see him doing now instead of racing for podium places. If he is doing as I suggested, then kudos to him.

 

But we are all different and that's what makes the world a lovely place, we don't all have to agree to everything just like we dont all have to like the same things, each individual can make their own choices and have their own beliefs.

 

 

Amen to that! As long as no one is hurting anybody then karma is good

However in typical hub fashion there are the extremists who feel that a doper touching a bike is crime that should serve 20 to life. When extremist views become popular then Jacob ZUma

[Patchelicious]

Amen to that! As long as no one is hurting anybody then karma is good

However in typical hub fashion there are the extremists who feel that a doper touching a bike is crime that should serve 20 to life. When extremist views become popular then Jacob ZUma

Isn’t more a case of when people accept rule bending and cheating, well the rules say that you can have a fire pool, that you end up with a Jacob Zuma?

[gtr1]

The issue isn't about hating or not hating KE. The issue is that he is still serving a ban, but yet is granted the privilege or competing in cycling events. So the message is, if you are well known, it is ok to dope because we'll invite and allow you to ride in some races, because you know, you have a cool bike shop and well, your ban is almost over. Only another 6 months.

[DieselnDust]

I'd rather see brands put support behind up and coming racers or racers that are good for the brand.No need to support dopers that had their slice of the pie already.

 

 

Not speaking for Rush Sports here but I suspect that his brand ambassadorship for their Santa Cruz brand has more to do with his bike shop than his racing career or Mr K.Evans the bike racer. It does help having your old buddy Mr B. Els being involved.

 

Also I wonder what the benefit is for an elitist brand like Santa Cruz to sponsor young riders to help create a youthful image when the majority of the people who can afford their product are MAMILS. KE is more identifiable to the demographic the product is aimed

 

I agree, young riders should get more support as they have to potential to add more value to the industry

[DieselnDust]

The issue isn't about hating or not hating KE. The issue is that he is still serving a ban, but yet is granted the privilege or competing in cycling events. So the message is, if you are well known, it is ok to dope because we'll invite and allow you to ride in some races, because you know, you have a cool bike shop and well, your ban is almost over. Only another 6 months.

 

 

I'm not aware of any event where he was allowed to compete. I am aware of Dr. Evil Stage race and K2C where he participated as a fun rider.

 

 

Have we heard from Kevin in this matter? Wheres the two-sides-to-every-story party? Are they batting for the other side on this matter? 

[Quagga]

I'm not aware of any event where he was allowed to compete. I am aware of Dr. Evil Stage race and K2C where he participated as a fun rider.

 

 

Have we heard from Kevin in this matter? Wheres the two-sides-to-every-story party? Are they batting for the other side on this matter? 

Would you have seen this as competing if he won?

 

Edit: Personally I COMPETE in every ride I do....mostly with my own HR / PR but I do. :-)

 

Another point, wonder what Santa Cruz HO will say if they heard that indirectly they are putting a suspended rider on a bike for ride/race that is televised???

Edited October 2, 2018 by Quagga