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As much as I don't see the point of the Arab Gulf states sponsoring cycling teams, at the end of the day it's a business and we must be happy to have sponsors supporting the sport. The pro races there (and doha worlds) is boring as faaark, and there is basically no cycling culture to speak of..

 

 

Dr Rotunno also a boytjie, don't be fooled by the name.

There will be more afrikaans in the UAE backroom, good luck to them all.

 

What a crock of ****!!!!! Take it you never been to the UAE, just one club ride on a Friday attracts about 80+ riders, there are plenty other clubs as well. We also have around 200km of cycling dedicated cycle specific track in the city and into the desert. There is one race here during Ramadan that has prize money of AED1million, Thats around R3.8million. ONE race. Oh and Wolfi's bike shop was voted in the top 10 in the world. Not even going to start with the MTB that has just started it's new series. Some great single track out there. 

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As much as I don't see the point of the Arab Gulf states sponsoring cycling teams, at the end of the day it's a business and we must be happy to have sponsors supporting the sport. The pro races there (and doha worlds) is boring as faaark, and there is basically no cycling culture to speak of..

 

 

 

Bud, all respect have you been there and actually looked at this no cycling culture?

 

Its HUUUUGE there.

 

I was honestly totally impressed and blown away by it in October when I was there.

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Bud, all respect have you been there and actually looked at this no cycling culture?

 

Its HUUUUGE there.

 

I was honestly totally impressed and blown away by it in October when I was there.

fair enough, my experience is a bit dated and was only really going on the fact that the pro races are boring with zero fans (and global warming has probably not done much for comfort levels)

 

I had some projects running in saudi 10-12 years ago, so spent (way too much) time in Riyadh

I've been to dubai, abu dhabi, doha at the time.

 

There sure as hell wasn't much in the way of bikeriding then, so if it's there now then they've done well, (but I'm guessing it's mainly expats involved)

 

 

***oh, and also am a bit tainted by the fact that I think the Qatar football world cup is the biggest load of crap, and then blindly lump all gulf states into the same bin.

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Just the number of bike shops in Dubai alone, makes it obvious there's a big market there.

Trek have a store on the cycle path. You can rent bikes and gear but have to book days in advance because the 100 bikes they have there are always booked out

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fair enough, my experience is a bit dated and was only really going on the fact that the pro races are boring with zero fans (and global warming has probably not done much for comfort levels)

 

I had some projects running in saudi 10-12 years ago, so spent (way too much) time in Riyadh

I've been to dubai, abu dhabi, doha at the time.

 

There sure as hell wasn't much in the way of bikeriding then, so if it's there now then they've done well, (but I'm guessing it's mainly expats involved)

 

 

***oh, and also am a bit tainted by the fact that I think the Qatar football world cup is the biggest load of crap, and then blindly lump all gulf states into the same bin.

 

Thats only because the expat community is bigger than the local, there are a lot of locals that ride. And some of them are rather rapid, and lets just say the sprints get VERY interesting with the bike handling "skills". The bike bling here is on another level, lightweight wheels are training wheels. 

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fair enough, my experience is a bit dated and was only really going on the fact that the pro races are boring with zero fans (and global warming has probably not done much for comfort levels)

 

I had some projects running in saudi 10-12 years ago, so spent (way too much) time in Riyadh

I've been to dubai, abu dhabi, doha at the time.

 

There sure as hell wasn't much in the way of bikeriding then, so if it's there now then they've done well, (but I'm guessing it's mainly expats involved)

 

 

***oh, and also am a bit tainted by the fact that I think the Qatar football world cup is the biggest load of crap, and then blindly lump all gulf states into the same bin.

 

Based on your previous observation that got shot down, maybe you shouldn't make anymore assumptions today. . . 

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Based on your previous observation that got shot down, maybe you shouldn't make anymore assumptions today. . . 

okily dokily, probably not the right thread but here goes anyway. There's bahrain merida and team UAE currently on the world tour.

https://www.uci.org/road/rankings

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rankings.php?id=&id=32065&continent=AS&filter=Filter

 

UAE got one guy with UCI points, he's 290th in the world, all down to a single race(fair enough he did win the asian continentals last year). he's the only local on the UAE team

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/yousef-mohamed-mirza

 

Bahrain, Qatar (who shelled out big cash to hold the World champs there, as well as 15 years of the Tour of Doha), Tour of Oman - UCI 2.HC, none of these countries have a single UCI point.

 

My actual point is that it is great that these teams exist, the funding and support is there, but it is not built on any great foundations. The sponsors/sheikh could get bored with cycling next month and then it's pigeon racing, drone flying or tiddlywinks that gets a huge budget. It's not really sustainable (am more than happy to be wrong on this one). (I could compare it to Astana, another state sponsored project, but they have some actual homegrown riders, and Vino!!).

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okily dokily, probably not the right thread but here goes anyway. There's bahrain merida and team UAE currently on the world tour.

https://www.uci.org/road/rankings

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rankings.php?id=&id=32065&continent=AS&filter=Filter

 

UAE got one guy with UCI points, he's 290th in the world, all down to a single race(fair enough he did win the asian continentals last year). he's the only local on the UAE team

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/yousef-mohamed-mirza

 

Bahrain, Qatar (who shelled out big cash to hold the World champs there, as well as 15 years of the Tour of Doha), Tour of Oman - UCI 2.HC, none of these countries have a single UCI point.

 

My actual point is that it is great that these teams exist, the funding and support is there, but it is not built on any great foundations. The sponsors/sheikh could get bored with cycling next month and then it's pigeon racing, drone flying or tiddlywinks that gets a huge budget. It's not really sustainable (am more than happy to be wrong on this one). (I could compare it to Astana, another state sponsored project, but they have some actual homegrown riders, and Vino!!).

Hardly get bored with cycling in Middle East.....

 

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Hardly get bored with cycling in Middle East.....

 

 

ok shot, so you actually live there? surely nightriding sounds like the answer for actually riding more than 3 months of the year?

 

"Showka MTB is a network of trails outside Dubai, UAE running through some pretty awesome rocky desert. There are a number of routes suitable for most levels of rider. The scenery is spectacular and at times it looks like you could be on Mars! Riding is mostly through the late autumn and winter months with early starts.......the temperature reaches pretty unbearable limits during summer and spring. You can get there directly from Dubai along the E102 highway within an hour. There's a great MTB shop just before the Showka roundabout run by Philip Ramos with a full workshop and refreshments....real friendly locals, who have also built a few features along the trails. This is one trail you don't want to ride alone...it's a long walk back out the desert if it all goes pie-eyed!"

 

My experience with middle east races with huge prize money stems from surfski racing. For a few years they pumped ridiculous sums into races and flew okes from all around the world. the fad passed and it doesn't even happen anymore. the iconic PE2EL race was even called the Shamaal for a few years (who cares about history when $$$$ are coming?)

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