Cookie88 Posted April 22, 2020 Share And then the Kickr 4 at 25k incl cadence sensors and a high wattage rating at 25k suddenly doesn't sound too bad, does it? https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/wahoo-trainer-kickr-40 or then there's the Core at 18k, which is a level lower but you need a cadence sensor to get the full gamut of data https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/wahoo-kickr-core-trainer And then tehre's the Kickr Snap, which also does those but it's a wheel off trainer. https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/wahoo-trainer-kickr-snap-20 As a sidenote - I believe that with the a firmware update from end of last year the Kickr Core and Kickr both broadcast cadence - which further narrows the difference between the models. No Brainer to go with the Core unless you have $$$ to spend! Edited April 22, 2020 by Cookie88 Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttley Posted April 22, 2020 Share Core will also require a cassette - just saying Cookie88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie88 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Core will also require a cassette - just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 22, 2020 Share As a sidenote - I believe that with the a firmware update from end of last year the Kickr Core and Kickr both broadcast cadence - which further narrows the difference between the models. No Brainer to go with the Core unless you have $$$ to spend! Core will also require a cassette - just saying And cadence sensor. Doesn't have one of those in the box, but the 4.0 does. madmarc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted April 22, 2020 Share And cadence sensor. Doesn't have one of those in the box, but the 4.0 does. Core broadcasts cadence, speed and power. All you need is a cassette. I have a core! Edit: MEASURES SPEED, DISTANCE, POWER, AND CADENCE Get these vital cycling metrics on your indoor ride on the KICKR CORE without connecting any extra sensors. https://eu.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-trainers/kickr-core-indoor-smart-trainer-single Edited April 22, 2020 by shaper Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarc Posted April 22, 2020 Share And cadence sensor. Doesn't have one of those in the box, but the 4.0 does. I have the Core 3 - with the latest firmware update you no longer need a separate Cad sensor - In fact it reflects Cad on my garmin 520 as well as Power. Cookie88 and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABUBI Posted April 22, 2020 Share I see that Alixpress also now have a chinese made direct drive IDT https://thinkrider.eu/product/thinkrider-x7-smart-trainer/ goes for 10k on alixpress vert space 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 22, 2020 Share Core broadcasts cadence, speed and power. All you need is a cassette. I have a core! Edit: MEASURES SPEED, DISTANCE, POWER, AND CADENCE Get these vital cycling metrics on your indoor ride on the KICKR CORE without connecting any extra sensors.https://eu.wahoofitness.com/devices/bike-trainers/kickr-core-indoor-smart-trainer-singleGreat, the listing on CWC didn't show that Measures Speed, Distance and PowerThird Party App CompatibilityThird Party Power Meter SupportBONUS FEATURE! Free Trials from our favorite App partners Product Specifications Part Number: WFBKTR4Dimensions (legs open): 20"L x 23"W x 19"HDimensions (legs closed): 9"L x 23"W x 21"HWeight (unboxed): 40 lbRear Wheel Size: 24" RD / 24" MTB / 650c RD / 26" MTB / 700c RD / 650b MTB / 29" MTBHub Types: 130/135mm QR, 12x142, and 12x148 Thru AxleAdapters: IncludedDrivetrain: Cassette not included. Requires Purchase/Installation of New Cassette: 8/9/10/11 Speed SRAM/ShimanoKICKR CLIMB: Compatible YesRPM Cadence: Not Includedq Measures Speed, Distance and Power Third Party App Compatibility Third Party Power Meter Support BONUS FEATURE! Free Trials from our favorite App partners Product Specifications Part Number: WFBKTR4Dimensions (legs open): 20"L x 23"W x 19"HDimensions (legs closed): 9"L x 23"W x 21"HWeight (unboxed): 40 lbRear Wheel Size: 24" RD / 24" MTB / 650c RD / 26" MTB / 700c RD / 650b MTB / 29" MTBHub Types: 130/135mm QR, 12x142, and 12x148 Thru AxleAdapters: IncludedDrivetrain: Cassette not included. Requires Purchase/Installation of New Cassette: 8/9/10/11 Speed SRAM/ShimanoKICKR CLIMB: Compatible YesRPM Cadence: Not Included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamil Posted April 22, 2020 Share My core provides power and cadence. Oh other have already pointed that out. Sorry And then the Kickr 4 at 25k incl cadence sensors and a high wattage rating at 25k suddenly doesn't sound too bad, does it? https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/wahoo-trainer-kickr-40 or then there's the Core at 18k, which is a level lower but you need a cadence sensor to get the full gamut of data https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/wahoo-kickr-core-trainer And then tehre's the Kickr Snap, which also does those but it's a wheel off trainer. https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/wahoo-trainer-kickr-snap-20 Edited April 22, 2020 by Mamil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted April 22, 2020 Share https://www.bicyclepower.co.za/product/cycleops-phantom-3-indoor-cycle/ Just saying that is a 2nd hand unit. My 2nd hand Kickr cost me R7k in total, I have done thousands of km on it since with 0 issues if you want to compare apples with apples... Vetplant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane_Bosch Posted April 22, 2020 Share Once you have owned a Kickr you will know that even at R26k it is not a bad price for what you get. I certainly haven't found fault in mine.(Price a power meter alone for comparison) I overheated and wrecked our little treadmill during lockdown. (apparently running it at it's max pace for more than an hour is not suggested) Anyway go look at the equivalent industrial treadmill (R50k +) or wattbike (±R60k) Even a top end non industrial treadmill is more expensive, with no smart technology, no power meters and fancy electronics etc.Agreed. I think in comparison to a high end treadmill wattbike or even rower, a smart trainer seems a bit of a bargain. Plus you can fold it up and put it in a cupboard. Try doing that with a treadmill. If you're time pressed or not as hard as the okes who are prepared to ride in the pissing rain or howling wind they are amazing pieces of equipment. Yes R20k+ is a lot of moolah to spend on a piece of exercise equipment but the easiest way to bring down the cost of ownership is to use it as often as you can. Okes must just hang tough for a few weeks. If they really want one they will be going for close to fokkol in the classifieds real soon. mazambaan, Darryllk and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmarc Posted April 22, 2020 Share I see that Alixpress also now have a chinese made direct drive IDT https://thinkrider.eu/product/thinkrider-x7-smart-trainer/ goes for 10k on alixpress I wonder if this deal will go viral Vetplant, ChrisF, Ferro and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted April 22, 2020 Share I came to the conclusion that it woudnt be relevant to discuss what a fanbelt a few pulleys and a bunch of resistors would actually cost in comparison to their sell price and if its actually worth what they sell it for. But then you get into the emotion of how someone feels over their purchas and all who has spend a bunch of money will justify the purchase value over the benefit and those that measure the price vs value of a product would say building a R300 home made roller would provide the same benefit Ultimately I wanted to know the manufacturing cost of a Kickr what is a kickr/direct drive trainer actually? it's just a bike stand with a generator connected to a cassette?the generator is essentially the smart bit, and is basically a cordless drill in reverse which actively adjusts resistance the nerds will get busy on this one if the supply is short or expensivehttps://hackaday.io/project/18658-postcycla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted April 22, 2020 Share that is a 2nd hand unit. My 2nd hand Kickr cost me R7k in total, I have done thousands of km on it since with 0 issues if you want to compare apples with apples...how many chains have you replaced /tyres and other parts that wear a little extra from the trainer also need to be taken into account ( BB , chainrings cassette ... those cycleops bikes are robust and use big ass cogs and chains that wear extremely slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted April 22, 2020 Share how many chains have you replaced /tyres and other parts that wear a little extra from the trainer also need to be taken into account ( BB , chainrings cassette ... those cycleops bikes are robust and use big ass cogs and chains that wear extremely slow It's a pretty sterile environment so parts wear really slowly. A kickr folds up into the shoe cupboard or Harry Potter's bedroom really easily. I don't think we should start debating the merits of the kit. A Wahoo kickr is awesome. The fact that I know the bike is also set up for me is a bonus even if I swap steeds, I can ride the mtb, the roadie, the gravel bike the SS all at the drop of a hat...... Are there different options, yes. The Elite system that Gavin Brophy won the other day is also a fantastic piece of kit all in at R20k. In the days before the apocalypse, for those of us with babies and wives with real jobs, the trainer was a godsend while waiting for the nanny to arrive before heading to work. I don't own on bike power metres or gps's or bike computers so it's also a really cool way for a pleb like me to do 2 well monitored, structured training sessions a week. It's worth the investment. Also, you don't NEED an IDT to stay fit during lockdown. Yoga, pilates, freeletics, some pull ups and functional weight exercises will keep you burning calories and in shape. The bike conditioning and leg speed will come quickly once we are free. Again, the NEED for trainers is driving the price. Cookie88, Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, DieselnDust and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazshell Posted April 22, 2020 Share It's a great opportunity for another player in the market to take that slot...SAA had a codeshare with either United or Delta on this route. They will gladly step in to fill the slot as they will have plenty spare planes for a while. It was also one of the most profitable routes. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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