Ispeed_V Posted August 5, 2020 Share Also watched the Documentary on DSTV. As much as he was my sporting hero, have a very different opinion after watching the two episodes. That said, as he mentioned, it was a case of Dope or get nowhere. I somehow think that not much has changed over the years. Doctors and teams have just got a whole lot smarter. Amazed to see how Floyd has let himself go. Think he had health issues, but is looking very chubby for an ex pro. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecheng89 Posted August 5, 2020 Share So has anyone watched the ESPN 30for30 documentary "Lance". Watched it on DSTV catchup (not mych cycling related material on the dish lately). Quite an interesting take on Lance rider, Lance the Brand, Lance the family man and the public view on Lance the Cancer Survivor.Was quite interesting to see him so moved by the space Ullrich finds himself in today. Clearly there is bitterness in the way Pantani, Ullrich, himself and others were thrown under the bus for what was essentially a systemic problem that is likely still with us today. I wonder if the 2020 TdF is going to be faster than 2019 as 2019 was faster than 2018....Yip, watched both episodes. I had no clue about his feeling towards Ulrich, I was taken aback. Interesting that he slammed Hincapie, yet they are on his podcast now.. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted August 5, 2020 Share I didn't buy it. I think he's a narcissist and master manipulator who surrounds himself with people who don't challenge him. As soon as somebody does, they move very quickly into his vengeance crosshairs. That's not to say he isn't a badass and gifted athlete. On the other hand, the more I listen to Floyd Landis, the more I like him. He made a few pretty bad decisions and at the time when he decided to tell-all, it really just seemed like it was coming from a bitter liar/cheat. But from that moment onward it seems like he decided to tell things exactly as they are. He's intelligent, insightful and has the guts to give his opinions about things pretty bluntly. A lot of other guys still seem to be picking their words carefully, like they are still scared of LA. Floyd rocks....he had the balls to take Lance down. DieselnDust and splat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted August 5, 2020 Share On the other hand, the more I listen to Floyd Landis, the more I like him. He made a few pretty bad decisions and at the time when he decided to tell-all, it really just seemed like it was coming from a bitter liar/cheat. But from that moment onward it seems like he decided to tell things exactly as they are. He's intelligent, insightful and has the guts to give his opinions about things pretty bluntly. A lot of other guys still seem to be picking their words carefully, like they are still scared of LA. Floyd didn't do himself any favours with his defence that that ridiculous book that he put so much effort (and other people's money) into.I am glad he gave that all up and admitted to being a douche and telling the truth. Much more respect Amazed to see how Floyd has let himself go. Think he had health issues, but is looking very chubby for an ex pro. And he is probably a much happier person now.Him and Zabriskie are real clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsw Posted August 5, 2020 Share So has anyone watched the ESPN 30for30 documentary "Lance". Watched it on DSTV catchup (not mych cycling related material on the dish lately). Quite an interesting take on Lance rider, Lance the Brand, Lance the family man and the public view on Lance the Cancer Survivor.Was quite interesting to see him so moved by the space Ullrich finds himself in today. Clearly there is bitterness in the way Pantani, Ullrich, himself and others were thrown under the bus for what was essentially a systemic problem that is likely still with us today. I wonder if the 2020 TdF is going to be faster than 2019 as 2019 was faster than 2018.... Lance and Jan might have been big rivals but I think they always had a lot of respect for each other. I think the fact that Ulrich once waited for Lance after he had a mishap during a stage of one of the Tours they competed against each other also played a role. If my memory serves me right Lance once waited for Jan too. I was not surprised with Lance's viewpoint of riders within his own team who had illusions of becoming leaders or co leaders ...... " They know where the door is"... Imagine Froome or Bernal or Thomas ever say something like that. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted August 5, 2020 Share I still have a 'mint condition' green and yellow phonak kit from the Landis era.... Floyd rocks. Lance can eat his socks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted August 5, 2020 Share Yip, watched both episodes. I had no clue about his feeling towards Ulrich, I was taken aback. Interesting that he slammed Hincapie, yet they are on his podcast now..Have seen bits and pieces of the doccie and in general it's pretty much reinforced the view I had of LA, ie. he is very selfish, at times dismissive of taking responsibility for his own actions, but also incredibly intelligent and extremely driven to be a success at what he does. Regarding Hincapie: I get the feeling some of the hate he gets from LA has more to do with the punishment both received from USADA & the UCI, as well as their relationship/friendship being highly competitive. To the point where it could be seen as toxic. You're also left wondering if it's also not a case of keeping your enemy close? LA & GH have, imho, a very very complicated relationship/friendship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted August 5, 2020 Share I still have a 'mint condition' green and yellow phonak kit from the Landis era.... Floyd rocks. Lance can eat his socksWell apparently pot gummies are a thing in America. So perhaps something for Floyd to look into! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hubs Posted August 5, 2020 Share Iv'e watched a few of he's interviews and documentary films and for some strange reason, for all he's cheats and arrogant behavior, I still like the guy... Have to admire the talent he has/had and the resilience to stay in the public eye. It would have been VERY easy to slip away, pay he's $ 5 Million fine and hope few remember...But he is still doing Podcasts and in the media telling he's story. I must be getting soft! Delarey, Koos Likkewaan and Wayne pudding Mol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas_187 Posted August 5, 2020 Share I personally love LA the athlete. No way to win 7 in a row without being an a**hole.They all cheated, he just cheated better. The first 1min 30sec shows where the TDF is won Grey Hubs, DieselnDust, Wayne pudding Mol and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecheng89 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Have seen bits and pieces of the doccie and in general it's pretty much reinforced the view I had of LA, ie. he is very selfish, at times dismissive of taking responsibility for his own actions, but also incredibly intelligent and extremely driven to be a success at what he does. Regarding Hincapie: I get the feeling some of the hate he gets from LA has more to do with the punishment both received from USADA & the UCI, as well as their relationship/friendship being highly competitive. To the point where it could be seen as toxic. You're also left wondering if it's also not a case of keeping your enemy close? LA & GH have, imho, a very very complicated relationship/friendship.I think you have it spot on mate. Mntboy and Wayne pudding Mol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickGM Posted August 5, 2020 Share 12 part series of youtube interviews with Floyd. A really interesting, candid guy IMO:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDRbf7MG5M&list=PLW5qT4HIAd1YJQj4dCsSSMyKhWNZVmC6-&index=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted August 5, 2020 Share LA and George are grown men. By now if they didn't like each other after hanging out for 30 years, they wouldn'tTV is edited for drama, when I watch their podcasts I see genuine rivalry but I see genuine love. George sees through LA bush*t and laughs at it. George seems a likeable guy quite capable of choosing who he wants to hang out with Is Lance a d!ck, no doubt but I like him and have no argument with anyone who doesn't. Every strong, long lasting group of friends usually has a knobhead in their midst but he's often the one to pull through in the bad times. I know this, I'm our groups token Dhead Edited August 5, 2020 by Waynemol Koos Likkewaan, WrightJnr, Grey Hubs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted August 5, 2020 Share LA and George are grown men. By now if they didn't like each other after hanging out for 30 years, they wouldn'tTV is edited for drama, when I watch their podcasts I see genuine rivalry but I see genuine love. George sees through LA bush*t and laughs at it. George seems a likeable guy quite capable of choosing who he wants to hang out with Is Lance a d!ck, no doubt but I like him and have no argument with anyone who doesn't. Every strong long lasting group of friends usuallu has a knobhead in their midst but he's often the one to pull through in the bad times. I know this, I'm our groups token Dhead I'd still rather watch Iqbal Surve interview Jacob Zuma......... Brakenjan, Tim Brink and Jewbacca 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted August 5, 2020 Share I'd still rather watch Iqbal Surve interview Jacob Zuma.........that's my new go to instead of I'd rather watch paint dry and I'd bet Lance knows how to count millions better than JZ Edited August 5, 2020 by Waynemol eddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted August 6, 2020 Share The first 1min 30sec shows where the TDF is won Yeah. 4 Hours in, going uphill and he's not even out of breath. Aint epol grand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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