No Daryl Impey for Tour de France - Positive Test Result

[TALUS]

 

http://www.dieburger.com/nuus/2014-07-04-tweede-toets-was-skoondaryl-impey

 

Make of it what you will...

Well that is sadly the reality. If you benefit from public adulation you must also know that public humiliation is possible. Refer Joost et. al. If you live a private life as an unknown worker bee nobody really cares. Due process is being followed. Many people like me are really hoping for a good outcome but it is becoming are real test of faith. Does anyone expect the masses not to have an opnion? Or are we only allowed certain opnions? I REALLY hope this turns out well but deep down I am getting tired of being disapointed.

[Danger Dassie]

Logically, to clear a lot of this up for everyone concerned. The first action to be taken is to test retroactively in line with the bio-passport and find out who are the medical staff involved with the athlete/s outside of the AIS?

 

Assuming that's what they're doing now.

['Dale]

Ive not seen a statement from OGE.

Anyone has a link or something?

[Danger Dassie]

Ive not seen a statement from OGE.

Anyone has a link or something?

 

http://www.greenedge...ing-daryl-impey

 

Then there are these;

 

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-statement-on-allegations-made-against-pieter-weening

 

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/response-to-matt-white-statement-regarding-usada-report

 

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/node/team-statement-regarding-asada-update-on-matt-white

Edited July 4, 2014 by danger dassie

['Dale]

 

 

http://www.greenedge...ing-daryl-impey

 

Then there are these;

 

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-statement-on-allegations-made-against-pieter-weening

 

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/response-to-matt-white-statement-regarding-usada-report

 

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/node/team-statement-regarding-asada-update-on-matt-white

 

Awesome, man.

Gracias!

[GaryvdM]

Saw a billboard that said his B sample was clean? Anybody seen or confirmed this.

http://www.dieburger...koondaryl-impey

 

Make of it what you will...

 

So I think what they mean is second test = test done on 9 Feb, not B sample.

[Delgado]

 

 

It's what Delgado got done for.

He was framed!????

[Tumbleweed]

unfortunately, kevin and impey are mates, so the article is far from objective

 

Yes, they are mates. And I'll throw in the disclaimer here: Kevin is my brother - I read the piece and made a factual correction to it before it was published. It's an opinion column, not a news story. The criticism of a lack of objectivity is stupid. Kevin wrote a very balanced news article about the positive test earlier in the week. Lest you think this post is a case of Kevin's baby brother standing up for him, some hubbers and others on the cycling scene will remember a very public spat Kevin and I had after an African champion cyclist tested postive some years back. I'll defend my boet when he's right, and I'll criticise him when I think he's wrong. He knows that. Zayin, your "objective" comment in this case is misplaced. A rabid pursuit to taint those who don't get your wild accusations, misguided inferences, sarcastic jibes, etc, does not help you. Are you being objective? Um, plainly no. Are you in a position to judge others' levels of disinterest? Once again, no.

 

Yesterday, I spoke to three former pros about Daryl. All three were adamant: Daryl is clean. All three related how Daryl turned down offers to "charge" with PEDs. He even turned down recreational drugs if the boys went out partying.

 

I don't know him apart from sourcing some newspaper clippings for him for a sponsor, and from anecdotes from those who have raced with him, watched his career grow, but I will say that I don't think he is a doper.

Edited July 5, 2014 by Tumbleweed

[Tumbleweed]

Whats the hubbers thought on this paragraph in the Dailymaverick article that was posted earlier?

 

Impey claims that he had “no prior knowledge of Probenecid”. The drug is so commonly used as a masking agent, and has been used in this capacity for so long, that this is sort of like Impey claiming that he has “no prior knowledge of mountain bikes”. It’s like Jacob Zuma claiming that he doesn’t know what “corruption” means. Drugs tend to have big, complicated names—Probenicid has four syllables—so this sort of “I was using what?” defence can occasionally fool the credulous. But no. Probenecid is cycling’s baby aspirin.

 

Is Probenecid really this well-known? I have never heard of it but then I'm no pro-cyclist..

 

It's a catchy line. But Poplak is hardly an expert on doping.

[Wyatt Earp]

 

 

It's a catchy line. But Poplak is hardly an expert on doping.

 

And as I said a few times now, not one single person has been able to explain to me the questions I have around this drug.

[kosmonooit]

..

I don't know him apart from sourcing some newspaper clippings for him for a sponsor, and from anecdotes from those who have raced with him, watched his career grow, but I will say that I don't think he is a doper.

 

I am with you here, he seems like a sincere person with great depth of character, if you have been to his dad's cycle shop, you will get that vibe, great people. Subjective view yes, but that's my instinct, something really went wrong here.

 

c.f. L.A., I never fell for him and his antics and fake melodramas, in fact he put me off following cycling for at least 10 years.

[Wyatt Earp]

Yes, they are mates. And I'll throw in the disclaimer here: Kevin is my brother - I read the piece and made a factual correction to it before it was published. It's an opinion column, not a news story. The criticism of a lack of objectivity is stupid. Kevin wrote a very balanced news article about the positive test earlier in the week. Lest you think this post is a case of Kevin's baby brother standing up for him, some hubbers and others on the cycling scene will remember a very public spat Kevin and I had after an African champion cyclist tested postive some years back. I'll defend my boet when he's right, and I'll criticise him when I think he's wrong. He knows that. Zayin, your "objective" comment in this case is misplaced. A rabid pursuit to taint those who don't get your wild accusations, misguided inferences, sarcastic jibes, etc, does not help you. Are you being objective? Um, plainly no. Are you in a position to judge others' levels of disinterest? Once again, no.

 

Yesterday, I spoke to three former pros about Daryl. All three were adamant: Daryl is clean. All three related how Daryl turned down offers to "charge" with PEDs. He even turned down recreational drugs if the boys went out partying.

 

I don't know him apart from sourcing some newspaper clippings for him for a sponsor, and from anecdotes from those who have raced with him, watched his career grow, but I will say that I don't think he is a doper.

 

Just back from my ride and my brain was firing many questions around this.

A long winded response ,but please bear with me.

 

Yes it was an opinion from Kevin and I felt it was very well written.

People who are like bloodhounds will see it as biased, people who hope that Daryl may be innocent will see it as well balanced.

To me it read a bit like "nice guys can't become bad or do bad things"

Saying that, I know this is not what he was going for.

 

I know many people are so distraught that they all believe because Daryl is a "nice guy" he could not have doped.

That argument to me does not apply, I think history has shown us that some of the most cold blooded serial killers were known as nice guys.

I am looking at this purely on the merits of the drug in question.

 

I don't know drugs and how they work and by the look of it nobody else on the Hub knows that either.

I will say that looking at this drugs pharmacological actions, but being a masking agent is the last resort one would want to use Probecenid for.

But to neutralise uric acid or using it to boost and prolong the effects of penicillin or an antibiotic in the system, it certainly looks like a good alternative, outdated as a cycling drug, but very effective for other uses.

 

Now lets say you have a fall in the middle of the Tour (think Hoogerland) and the wounds become infected and the team doctor whom you trust gives you an antibiotic and this drug is linked within it's chain, then boom you are in a spot of bother.

My take is that this could have been ingested in many ways (just not food)

Yes as a Pro Cyclist we need to know what we are taking and what is illegal, but humans are not walking encyclopaedias either (however many think they are)

So my story in short, yes nice guys can also do wrong, was it ingested by food ,I will say no.

 

Looking at the pharmacological actions of this drug and giving Daryl the benefit of the doubt that he trusted the team doctor emphatically ,that is where I am standing with this.

I tried to get hold of him for our radio show so we could hear his side, I would like to extend that offer to him.

I feel for him, innocent or guilty.

[TopFuel]

And as I said a few times now, not one single person has been able to explain to me the questions I have around this drug.

 

What questions?

 

As far as I know, probenecid is not widely used anymore. It is not on the SA EDL (essential drugs list) or the standard treatment guidelines for 2012, but was there in 1998 version of the same document. It was an anti-gout (uricosuric), but these days allopurinol and colchicine are preferred. It used to be used to increase the concentration of antibiotics, but that seems to have fallen out of favour (in the VERY little research I have done, it seems that antibiotics + probenecid was not better than drug alone).

[Wyatt Earp]

What questions?

 

As far as I know, probenecid is not widely used anymore. It is not on the SA EDL (essential drugs list) or the standard treatment guidelines for 2012, but was there in 1998 version of the same document. It was an anti-gout (uricosuric), but these days allopurinol and colchicine are preferred. It used to be used to increase the concentration of antibiotics, but that seems to have fallen out of favour (in the VERY little research I have done, it seems that antibiotics + probenecid was not better than drug alone).

 

Exactly that, and even though it's outdated, I do believe that some companies use it as a "quick fix" alternative.

(This is just from what I have read over the past few days)

[TopFuel]

Exactly that, and even though it's outdated, I do believe that some companies use it as a "quick fix" alternative.

(This is just from what I have read over the past few days)

 

Fair point, but shouldn't he have then come out an said he'd been ill? Taken antibiotics? Maybe still have the container to show them?

 

Also, I don't think that drugs companies will "lace" a product with another just to get a desired effect. The drug industry is regimentally controlled, so they would have to declare that the drug you're taking is a combination.

 

I want to believe his innocence, but what has he provided i.t.o defence that we can give him some credit for. Ignorance is not a defence in my opinion.

[Wyatt Earp]

Fair point, but shouldn't he have then come out an said he'd been ill? Taken antibiotics? Maybe still have the container to show them?

 

Also, I don't think that drugs companies will "lace" a product with another just to get a desired effect. The drug industry is regimentally controlled, so they would have to declare that the drug you're taking is a combination.

 

I want to believe his innocence, but what has he provided i.t.o defence that we can give him some credit for. Ignorance is not a defence in my opinion.

 

Not lacing but in manufacture, spoke to a friend of mine who is fairly senior at a pharmaceutical company.

The reckons in manufacture they include it to limit the excretion of other drugs, some of these are listed on Wiki and other literature.

I am simply saying, there might have been a time he needed an antibiotic .

Just trying to be fair and look at some possibilities .