Tubeless on the road

[PregoRoll]

1 minute ago, DieselnDust said:

so its' all evaporated....? What plugs the puncture if there no solid material or latex?

All thats there is a pink coating on the inside of the tyre, which was once the sealant. Havent had a noticeable flat either. Should maybe aim for the glass more often and see what happens 😂

 

[dasilvarsa]

There are 2 Systems Propylene Glycol or Latex Ammonia

Rough Formula for Propylene Glycol System.

Water is 65% by weight, and propylene glycol is 30% by weight. The vehicle contains 2.0% by weight of thickener, 0.5% by weight of nylon fiber, 1.4% by weight of cotton fiber, 0.5% by weight of ceramic powder and 0.1% by weight of dye.

[Ozzie NL]

2 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

What are you using to inject the sealant? I've never had a problem injecting either Stan's Race or Enduro Seal as long as the sealant hasn't been standing for months. Sealant has a shelf life and under warmer temps its will start to coagulate.

Also check that your valves aren't clogged with sealant at the stem. remove the core and push a toothpick or savory skewer through the valve body to make sure its clear

In my experience Stan's race sealant has such a high particle load that it clogs up the syringe if injecting through the valve. If says on the bottle that you cannot do so.

If you can get over the PT of having to break the bead and throw directly in the tire, it is the best sealant out there to my mind

PS "Normal" Stan's is nearly as good and requires a lot less PT

[DieselnDust]

58 minutes ago, Ozzie NL said:

In my experience Stan's race sealant has such a high particle load that it clogs up the syringe if injecting through the valve. If says on the bottle that you cannot do so.

If you can get over the PT of having to break the bead and throw directly in the tire, it is the best sealant out there to my mind

PS "Normal" Stan's is nearly as good and requires a lot less PT

I don’t use the Stans syringe , I use the enduro seal applicator bottle which has a high volume nozzle and no problems getting either products in through the valve as long as there are no large lumps in it

[craiganavi]

So after many happy Km's on my Tubeless GP 5000 TL tyres with Orange Seal Regular (Approximately cleaned out and topped up 2months ago). My own fault, I rode over a patch of glass not watching the road. Big puncture in my rear and most of the sealant shot out and unfortunately would not seal. My previous punctures the sealant did the trick. Obviously I do not carry tubes with me anymore so I was done for the morning.

I have now come across 'Dynaplug' and other brands for road bike tyres. Has anyone had any experience with these or similar product for road tyres? 

Is it safe to ride with a plug on a road tyre? As the tyre is narrow and high pressure? Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

 

[splat]

8 minutes ago, craiganavi said:

So after many happy Km's on my Tubeless GP 5000 TL tyres with Orange Seal Regular (Approximately cleaned out and topped up 2months ago). My own fault, I rode over a patch of glass not watching the road. Big puncture in my rear and most of the sealant shot out and unfortunately would not seal. My previous punctures the sealant did the trick. Obviously I do not carry tubes with me anymore so I was done for the morning.

I have now come across 'Dynaplug' and other brands for road bike tyres. Has anyone had any experience with these or similar product for road tyres? 

Is it safe to ride with a plug on a road tyre? As the tyre is narrow and high pressure? Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

 

Its hard to compare one puncture against another as the offending items is usually different and there is no way of knowing how a different tyre would have coped with the same incident.

That said, I use Dynaplugs and rate them quite highly in my road and gravel tyres. I just leave them in. Not a cheap little item, but I don't know well others compare - Stans Dart for example.

That said, I still carry a tube and gator for a sidewall slice or something that a plug cant fix.

[W@nted]

1 hour ago, craiganavi said:

So after many happy Km's on my Tubeless GP 5000 TL tyres with Orange Seal Regular (Approximately cleaned out and topped up 2months ago). My own fault, I rode over a patch of glass not watching the road. Big puncture in my rear and most of the sealant shot out and unfortunately would not seal. My previous punctures the sealant did the trick. Obviously I do not carry tubes with me anymore so I was done for the morning.

I have now come across 'Dynaplug' and other brands for road bike tyres. Has anyone had any experience with these or similar product for road tyres? 

Is it safe to ride with a plug on a road tyre? As the tyre is narrow and high pressure? Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

 

I had a piece of glass cut my rear tire during maluti. Also did not want to seal properly. Even with a normal “worm” plug it did not want to keep pressure, but got me home.

At home I took off the tire, removed the plug and cleaned the inside. Sanded the inside and applied a norma tube patch inside the tire. Works a charm. Holding pressure, no issues. 
 

also applied some rubber shoe glue to the outside of the cut.

 

I think applying a patch on the inside of the tire is the best way forward👍🏻

[dasilvarsa]

14 hours ago, W@nted said:

I had a piece of glass cut my rear tire during maluti. Also did not want to seal properly. Even with a normal “worm” plug it did not want to keep pressure, but got me home.

At home I took off the tire, removed the plug and cleaned the inside. Sanded the inside and applied a norma tube patch inside the tire. Works a charm. Holding pressure, no issues. 
 

also applied some rubber shoe glue to the outside of the cut.

 

I think applying a patch on the inside of the tire is the best way forward👍🏻

It works well sometimes and on some tyres, Sometimes not, depends on the compound and conditions.

You cannot do this in a hurry.

[Jewbacca]

23 minutes ago, dasilvarsa said:

It works well sometimes and on some tyres, Sometimes not, depends on the compound and conditions.

You cannot do this in a hurry.

I have bodged a tire on the side of the road by using the plug glue to stick a piece of bar wrapper onto the inside of a tire. It worked like a dream and got me home comfortably. Took no more than a few minutes.

Latex strip and an elastic cement glue work to fix almost all tires from the inside unless it is slashed. Then you can stitch it and apply the above if you are in a pinch (ie doing a big long stage race/Freedom Challenge/Munga etc and need to get over the line while having time on your side)

BUT realistically carrying a tube and using it is the easiest solution to road punctures that wont seal 

[Jbr]

16 hours ago, craiganavi said:

So after many happy Km's on my Tubeless GP 5000 TL tyres with Orange Seal Regular (Approximately cleaned out and topped up 2months ago). My own fault, I rode over a patch of glass not watching the road. Big puncture in my rear and most of the sealant shot out and unfortunately would not seal. My previous punctures the sealant did the trick. Obviously I do not carry tubes with me anymore so I was done for the morning.

I have now come across 'Dynaplug' and other brands for road bike tyres. Has anyone had any experience with these or similar product for road tyres? 

Is it safe to ride with a plug on a road tyre? As the tyre is narrow and high pressure? Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

 

I haven't tried the fancy ones, only the normal plugs, and most of the times wasn't very happy with it, could barely take me home. While I do still carry plugs I also carry those

I only used them once, punctured 100km away from home, realised I had 0 sealant left init. Decided to try the patch and hope it would take me at least to the nearest shop for a top-up... It took me home without losing any pressure. I highly recommend it. I don't even know why I'm still carrying plugs as most attempts at pluging tyres I ended up wasting CO2 cartridges..

 

I don't believe in carrying tubes anymore when on a tubeless setup, because your tubeless tyres carry so many pieces of glass and metal in them. The only time I tried to put a tube in a punctured tyre, the tube never took any pressure, it must have punctured in many different places before it got a chance to inflate 🤣

NB : All the above only applies to road, not MTB where plugs and tubes work !

Edited May 8, 2023 by Jbr

[Furbz]

17 hours ago, craiganavi said:

So after many happy Km's on my Tubeless GP 5000 TL tyres with Orange Seal Regular (Approximately cleaned out and topped up 2months ago). My own fault, I rode over a patch of glass not watching the road. Big puncture in my rear and most of the sealant shot out and unfortunately would not seal. My previous punctures the sealant did the trick. Obviously I do not carry tubes with me anymore so I was done for the morning.

I have now come across 'Dynaplug' and other brands for road bike tyres. Has anyone had any experience with these or similar product for road tyres? 

Is it safe to ride with a plug on a road tyre? As the tyre is narrow and high pressure? Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

 

i had the same issue with some Eagle F1 Good years - some glass cuts are just to big for any sealant to cut it.

thankfully i knew off the bat that it was to large and rotated the cut to the top to not waste sealant. (if rotated to the bottom the sealant will seal the tire but will blow back out within a few meters).

i popped in a dyna plug and happily rode home.

i rode that tire for a further 350km before the plug blew out - it had worn as smooth as the tire at that point. i wanted to test if a tire was toast or could be used with a plug.

i replugged it with the larger MTB type plug and rode home from there.

so in short - a plug will def get you home no problems. but long term use is not going to work.

at least in my experience

[dasilvarsa]

12 minutes ago, Furbz said:

i had the same issue with some Eagle F1 Good years - some glass cuts are just to big for any sealant to cut it.

thankfully i knew off the bat that it was to large and rotated the cut to the top to not waste sealant. (if rotated to the bottom the sealant will seal the tire but will blow back out within a few meters).

i popped in a dyna plug and happily rode home.

i rode that tire for a further 350km before the plug blew out - it had worn as smooth as the tire at that point. i wanted to test if a tire was toast or could be used with a plug.

i replugged it with the larger MTB type plug and rode home from there.

so in short - a plug will def get you home no problems. but long term use is not going to work.

at least in my experience

The Sealant Goes OFF "vrot" after about a month.

That's one of the reasons that it does not seal.

It still holds pressure though.

Ammonia gets finished through evaporation. Latex Hardens inside the Tyre and what's left is basically water.

That's why people who top up monthly have more success.

[Furbz]

8 minutes ago, dasilvarsa said:

The Sealant Goes OFF "vrot" after about a month.

That's one of the reasons that it does not seal.

It still holds pressure though.

Ammonia gets finished through evaporation. Latex Hardens inside the Tyre and what's left is basically water.

That's why people who top up monthly have more success.

100%

in my case the cut was just to massive

[Spinnekop]

A friend of mine showed me a video where he took his own road bike with Conti GP5000 tyres on with Panzer sealant in:  https://orimglobal.co.za/product-category/panzer/sealant/

and put 3 nails in the tyres (pulling the nail out again each time).  Tyres sitting at 5 bar.
With all 3 holes sealed, the tyre only went down to 4 bar.

Not bad in my books.  Will see how it practically works out on the road.

Just disappointed that the yellow sealant doesn't smell like banana milkshake...........😁

 

[dasilvarsa]

4 hours ago, Spinnekop said:

A friend of mine showed me a video where he took his own road bike with Conti GP5000 tyres on with Panzer sealant in:  https://orimglobal.co.za/product-category/panzer/sealant/

and put 3 nails in the tyres (pulling the nail out again each time).  Tyres sitting at 5 bar.
With all 3 holes sealed, the tyre only went down to 4 bar.

Not bad in my books.  Will see how it practically works out on the road.

Just disappointed that the yellow sealant doesn't smell like banana milkshake...........😁

 

You must change the sealant Once a Month for that kind of performance.

He must have had brand new sealant, Sealant is not a permanent repair, but it gets you home.

After a couple days that wheel will be pap.

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by dasilvarsa

[Furbz]

4 hours ago, Spinnekop said:

A friend of mine showed me a video where he took his own road bike with Conti GP5000 tyres on with Panzer sealant in:  https://orimglobal.co.za/product-category/panzer/sealant/

and put 3 nails in the tyres (pulling the nail out again each time).  Tyres sitting at 5 bar.
With all 3 holes sealed, the tyre only went down to 4 bar.

Not bad in my books.  Will see how it practically works out on the road.

Just disappointed that the yellow sealant doesn't smell like banana milkshake...........😁

 

ask him to cut the tire with glass - thats the real road test.

nails tend to leave a rather small hole that most sealant with deal with no probs.

a 4mm straight glass cut is a different story