MTBeer Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 I read an argument the other day about this^^^. Muslims kills 1000's of people a day in countries like Nigeria. But it does not make the news. Now one Mosque is shot up, now it is international news and in parliament gets opened with a Muslim prayer.... Very interesting points of few that came out. That argument is a braindead argument. Would you rather live in a civilized country like NZ where a mass killing makes big new, or a sheethole like Nigeria/Afgan/Iraq/Syria where mass killings are the norm? Pants Boy 1
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 I read an argument the other day about this^^^. Muslims kills 1000's of people a day in countries like Nigeria. But it does not make the news. Now one Mosque is shot up, now it is international news and in parliament gets opened with a Muslim prayer.... Very interesting points of few that came out. Equating an incident in a country where that is the norm to an incident in a country where this sort of thing is an aberration is not a logical argument. If the muslim dude had done the same thing in NZ and it hadn't been covered, THEN you'd have an argument. forkie, Hairy and MTBeer 3
Allrounder Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 That argument is a braindead argument. Would you rather live in a civilized country like NZ where a mass killing makes big new, or a sheethole like Nigeria/Afgan/Iraq/Syria where mass killings are the norm? Equating an incident in a country where that is the norm to an incident in a country where this sort of thing is an aberration is not a logical argument. If the muslim dude had done the same thing in NZ and it hadn't been covered, THEN you'd have an argument. Indeed. This was the general feeling about the topic.
Patchelicious Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 Equating an incident in a country where that is the norm to an incident in a country where this sort of thing is an aberration is not a logical argument. If the muslim dude had done the same thing in NZ and it hadn't been covered, THEN you'd have an argument. Agreed. A separate argument/question would be that we live in neither Nigeria nor New Zealand, so why have we become so desensitised by death in countries where its happens more often? Why are we more ok with those thousands of deaths vs the more random NZ type ones? Is it a factor of "closer to home hurst more", is it a factor of the news channels we get exposed too, is it a factor that we are uncomfortable criticising other religions or ideologies out fear of being branded intolerant, is it a factor that of...... I dont know, we should care more but we dont seem too, be it racism in the US law enforcement, whats happening in China with the re-education or some of the states in the middle east. These are all hate driven violence. I think the NZ and Dutch PMs have done relatively good job coming out and standing against this type of hatred driven violence. Why don't we see more of it? Herman V, Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and forkie 3
Chris_ Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 Agreed. A separate argument/question would be that we live in neither Nigeria nor New Zealand, so why have we become so desensitised by death in countries where its happens more often? Why are we more ok with those thousands of deaths vs the more random NZ type ones? Is it a factor of "closer to home hurst more", is it a factor of the news channels we get exposed too, is it a factor that we are uncomfortable criticising other religions or ideologies out fear of being branded intolerant, is it a factor that of...... I dont know, we should care more but we dont seem too, be it racism in the US law enforcement, whats happening in China with the re-education or some of the states in the middle east. These are all hate driven violence. I think the NZ and Dutch PMs have done relatively good job coming out and standing against this type of hatred driven violence. Why don't we see more of it? I reckon our 'global' news source is mainly to blame. The other thing, maybe we care more about NZ BECAUSE they care so much. Child soldiers are shooting each other in the Nigerian delta while the generals high 5 - if they don't care, perhaps we don't need to either. Being someone who cares about all the atrocities across the world will be a tiring and complex path. Surely there comes a time when you just become a martyr seeking out all these cases. MSF and the like come to mind - you try do so much good the general population kind of sidelines you. Sad.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 I reckon our 'global' news source is mainly to blame. The other thing, maybe we care more about NZ BECAUSE they care so much. Child soldiers are shooting each other in the Nigerian delta while the generals high 5 - if they don't care, perhaps we don't need to either. Being someone who cares about all the atrocities across the world will be a tiring and complex path. Surely there comes a time when you just become a martyr seeking out all these cases. MSF and the like come to mind - you try do so much good the general population kind of sidelines you. Sad.Nigeria - semi-civilized society. Happens there all the time, therefore "normalized" and expectedNZ - civilized society. Happens there not at all, therefore not "normalized" and totally unexpected. It's like the USA school shooting thing. If a school shooting happens in the USA, it's hardly news, but we still react to it. If a school shooting happens in Oz, UK or Nederlands, for example, it receives far more airtime as it's out of the ordinary and unexpected. DJR and 'Dale 2
Tromp Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 Was watching the " news " again this morning. Damn , our country , and the whole world for that matter , is in a " five minutes to twelve " situation. Yet , yet , there is a plethora of " clever " people that not only know the cause of said situation, but also have very " simple " solutions. ?????.
Warren_G Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 [emoji23] Sent from my LYA-L09 using Tapatalk Patchelicious 1
J∆kk∆ls Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 Hehe spotted on Amsterdam Market Place Rapunzel, Patensie, Hairy and 4 others 7
J∆kk∆ls Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 reminds me of this Says the racist twat that has been polluting the air we breathe, promoting cars to petrol heads. sawystertrance, Tromp and Rob22 3
Robbie Stewart Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 The cool thread is getting less so. It must be global warming doing everyone in... Patchelicious, DJR, Akon and 2 others 5
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