Does doping exist in SA?

[DieselnDust]

The problem when tests are announced, the social network expert rumour mill starts spewing nonsense

For example: did u hear so n so was tested.... did u hear so n so tested + And so on

 

Even when it’s just a random test

 

By all means test as much as possible, but only announce the positive tests imo

 

 

the general public is bored and social media is the prefered outlet. I was in a Library last night.

It was Empty. the librarian seemed surprised till I got closer and she realised I'm not a late teen early 20's. 

Instant gratification and if someone is better than you then they must be cheating. 

 

Privacy now is more important than its ever been because story telling and spreading is easier than ever

[Andrew Steer]

The problem when tests are announced, the social network expert rumour mill starts spewing nonsense

For example: did u hear so n so was tested.... did u hear so n so tested + And so on

 

Even when it’s just a random test

 

By all means test as much as possible, but only announce the positive tests imo

Yeah, I guess perceptions can be seen any which way... but that's a perception I think should be changed by transparency.

 

Me personally, I think anti-doping should be part of the package of being a top rider. Someone like Allan should be getting tested monthly, and definitely randomly. It should be the norm... part of life of a pro rider. And it should be encouraged, as it's also being done to the competition and ensuring his career is being protected.

 

If I see a rider being tested and getting results I can have confidence in them. I can hope the system is keeping things in check and the cream is rising to the top. At the moment it's all just largely guess work, and then when any result happens that seems abnormal, you're automatically left asking questions?

 

It's all about having confidence in what we are seeing. 

[SwissVan]

Yeah, I guess perceptions can be seen any which way... but that's a perception I think should be changed by transparency.

 

Me personally, I think anti-doping should be part of the package of being a top rider. Someone like Allan should be getting tested monthly, and definitely randomly. It should be the norm... part of life of a pro rider. And it should be encouraged, as it's also being done to the competition and ensuring his career is being protected.

 

If I see a rider being tested and getting results I can have confidence in them. I can hope the system is keeping things in check and the cream is rising to the top. At the moment it's all just largely guess work, and then when any result happens that seems abnormal, you're automatically left asking questions?

 

It's all about having confidence in what we are seeing.

Agreed, it should be the norm

And if it is the norm then we will know they are being tested.

[verandapanda]

That awkward moment you stumble onto the SAIDS website and the names there read like a class list of people you knew way back in matric... 

[Knersboy]

 

Dont know if this is seen as doping but a buddy uses the herb like i use gels - on the bike swim run you name it hes high as a kite - for Ironman he had them in muffins as he couldnt spark up - and trust me u could see when he had a hit , how he "flew" past you lol[/quote

 

People like that really piss me off, they could at least share

[Josh_the. Man]

With the highschools spur-xco races you will find kids that dope. The boy's who makes podium gets tested once or twice and I think there has been a boy who was caught.

[BigDL]

With the highschools spur-xco races you will find kids that dope. The boy's who makes podium gets tested once or twice and I think there has been a boy who was caught.

If it is true, then Parents who help their kids dope, directly or indirectly, are the lowest form of scum. Same as the rugby parents who arrange steroids or growth hormones for little Johnny to help him get the bulk to have a chance of being picked for the 1’st team.

 

 

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[Boerklong]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2019/03/world-bridge-champion-geir-helgemo-suspended-over-doping.html

[Dubber]

There are a couple podcasts doing the rounds at the moment on what is involved (and the ease) at which blood passports can be manipulated.

 

I can post the links if people  are interested...  This is all in the wake of the skiing doping scandal recently...

 

From these accounts it's not too difficult to beat the system. Given that UCI / Wada tests are not picking up things, I imagine SA cycling tests (which are less frequent and possibly not as thorough ) could easily be beaten if someone wanted to...

 

I'm not saying there is rife doping going on, just don't believe that even though tests are taking place, cyclists aren't doping...

[Dicky DQ]

Just cause someone doesn't put on SM they getting tested doesn't meant they not. Beers was tested - blood and urine every single day for a week, he never posted it on SM so did it not happen? It happened.

 

Another female the other day, 9:30pm at night, happened. No public post. 

 

Those old TDF rider can ride bikes, dope or not, they didn't take dope and the only reason why they rode Tour. They that 1% not the 99% of us or who want to. 

 

Im not defending any of them or the system - believe me Im not, Im just putting some corrected info for all going forward to use as reference, but what I am saying is that the general publics perception of the complete system is skewed somewhat. I was the same years back until things, environment and education changed for me.

 

Its no one faults and history is there - in full force - I understand that but today is not 10 or 15yrs ago and a lot has changed (150cc vs 500cc). Is it perfect? NO it's not, same as the oke who calls in a favor to get a better seeding for Argus to ride a better time in a faster group. Same thing.

 

Riders have been sanctioned on the passport it does work, does it work every single time? No not always but it takes time to get a profile. Sometimes years. 

 

The sport is a lot cleaner now than it was, people will always cheat its life and people are trying to fight the fight of it but sometimes its not the easiest and not everyone doing it is corrupt.

Arb question, but does the blood passport not make it easier to manage the doping protocol, if doping? Now you have a set of values to work to, especially if all levels were high to start with.

[J Wakefield]

There are a couple podcasts doing the rounds at the moment on what is involved (and the ease) at which blood passports can be manipulated.

 

I can post the links if people  are interested...  This is all in the wake of the skiing doping scandal recently...

 

From these accounts it's not too difficult to beat the system. Given that UCI / Wada tests are not picking up things, I imagine SA cycling tests (which are less frequent and possibly not as thorough ) could easily be beaten if someone wanted to...

 

I'm not saying there is rife doping going on, just don't believe that even though tests are taking place, cyclists aren't doping...

 

 

No one in SA is running a 100k + euro program in SA to beat the passport. sanctions in SA have come off passport data. 

 

 

[J Wakefield]

Arb question, but does the blood passport not make it easier to manage the doping protocol, if doping? Now you have a set of values to work to, especially if all levels were high to start with.

 

Its not just a value like a HCT of 45% there a lot of other markers that are used. 

[Dicky DQ]

Its not just a value like a HCT of 45% there a lot of other markers that are used. 

Ok was just thinking that all the markers are now known so easier to manage. But it was just a thought. I was led to believe that all the markers were known to the athletes/doctors etc. If this is the it should not be so.

[Fat Boab]

Is all the data in a Blood Passport declared to the athlete?

[RocknRolla]

Agree on points above but I don't actually know why it isn't public who is or isn't on a passport locally I would only presume on a personal protective right or something. I know of my athletes.

 

If Spur kids want someone to look up its Allan or Matt for example I will put everything I own on them being clean and they are destroying basically everyone on a bike road or MTB. 

 

So yes, there are riders who you can look up to and show you can win clean. 

 

Mr Wakefield, that is a strong statement to make. I hope for your sake you are not proven wrong.

We have seen the rise and fall of so many in SA cycling, that it's almost no surprise when a rider gets bust. Max and Croeser springs to mind, personally I thought these two kinda was the last straw for me, to think that doping is not a requirement to get to the top echelon of cycling.

 

I hold no rider in such regard that they will "disapoint" me when caught doping, just like I am not disapointed or surprised when a politician is exposed for corruption. It's almost expected these days.

[Tankman]

Hey, ek het al daai race gewen.

 

Before, after or during your two year ban?