Backing out of a deal

[Just Simba]

2021/09/10, 13:30 - Messages and calls are end-to-end encrypted. No one outside of this chat, not even WhatsApp, can read or listen to them. Tap to learn more.
2021/09/10, 13:30 - Simba: Good afternoon
2021/09/10, 13:30 - Simba: I see you have 2 bikes that I'd like to be mine
2021/09/10, 13:31 - Simba: Any chance you'll take 100k for both?
2021/09/10, 13:33 - Wade: Norrafok
2021/09/10, 13:33 - Simba: ????
2021/09/10, 13:35 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/10, 13:48 - Simba: Ok thanks.  110k was my max
2021/09/10, 13:54 - Wade: R130 and they are both yours...
2021/09/10, 13:55 - Wade: And I will throw in the power meter
2021/09/10, 13:56 - Simba: I can try get to 120k incl power meter.
2021/09/10, 13:57 - Simba: But ill need a few mins
2021/09/10, 14:03 - Wade: R125 k including power meter
2021/09/10, 14:04 - Simba: I'm as tight as I could possibly go hey
2021/09/10, 14:04 - Wade: I have lots of interest in the bikes separately...
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: I will probably get R70 + R60 + R8 k
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: In the interests of a quick sale will do R125 k
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: Let me know
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Simba: I hear you.  But I'm maxed out.  Hands are tied. Ite a pitty though
2021/09/10, 14:06 - Simba: But I hear you ????????
2021/09/10, 14:06 - Simba: I can't twist your arm?
2021/09/10, 14:13 - Simba: Ok I'm good for 120k.  Just need you to accept.
2021/09/10, 14:17 - Wade: Nope, sorry...
2021/09/10, 14:17 - Wade: Appreciate the offer...
2021/09/10, 14:18 - Simba: Ok.  No problem.
2021/09/10, 14:19 - Simba: I'm working on something.  Give me a few more mins
2021/09/10, 14:32 - Simba: I'm good to go
2021/09/10, 14:32 - Simba: Banking details?
2021/09/10, 14:33 - Wade: STANDARD BANK
CHEQUE ACCOUNT XXXXXXX
2021/09/10, 14:33 - Wade: Capt W Gomes
2021/09/10, 14:35 - Simba: Can I do 50k today , 50k tomorrow and 25k  the day after?
2021/09/10, 14:36 - Wade: Sure, will hand over the bikes when everything is showing in the bank
2021/09/10, 14:36 - Simba: Perfect
2021/09/10, 14:38 - Simba: And to confirm.  This is including power meter correct
2021/09/10, 14:39 - Wade: It's currently installed on the Top Fuel. I will leave it on the bike
2021/09/10, 14:39 - Simba: Cool
2021/09/10, 14:41 - Simba: A 75k express payment has been made. You should have it in 15 min or so
2021/09/10, 14:47 - Wade: Thanks
2021/09/11, 08:28 - Simba: Hi. Did you receive payment?
2021/09/11, 08:38 - Simba: The R75k I mean ????????
2021/09/11, 11:06 - Simba: Hey are you there? Need to know that the money went to the right account ????
2021/09/11, 12:52 - Wade: I got the notification but there are no funds reflecting yet
2021/09/11, 13:15 - Simba: Strange, I didn't send a notification, and I express cleared ????
2021/09/11, 13:16 - Simba: Please let me know when it clears so the balance can be paid.  

What does the notification look like that you recieved?
2021/09/11, 13:25 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/11, 13:29 - Simba: Cool. Chat Monday ( hopefully sooner).  Have a lekker weekend.
2021/09/11, 13:30 - Wade: Where are you based for bike delivery?
2021/09/11, 13:34 - Simba: Would you please be able to drop them at XXXXXX for me.
2021/09/13, 07:00 - Simba: Good morning.  Is the cash in? The remaining 50k will be sent today.  Also instant.
2021/09/13, 07:04 - Wade: Morning. No money in my account. Please don't send the other R50 k
2021/09/13, 07:06 - Wade: Will speak to my private banker today and revert.
2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: That simply is not possible. My bank had already confirmed payment on Friday
2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: This is very worrying
2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: Is this normal for stb?
2021/09/13, 07:09 - Wade: I have someone coming ro look at the Top Fuel today. If he takes the bike, then you can decide if you want the Supercaliber or I will refund you.
2021/09/13, 07:18 - Simba: I have just called my bank and they confirm that the payment was cleared on Friday

So firstly I am not happy that your are going back on your word

And secondly, why won't you admit that my money is in your account?

Unless you are making excuses to justify going back on our agreement?

I'd like the deal to stay in place.  

Let me know when the R75 000 is in, and the rest will follow.
2021/09/13, 07:19 - Wade: Send me your bank detail, so I can refund you.
2021/09/13, 07:20 - Simba: So you have the money then?
2021/09/13, 07:20 - Wade: What does this say...
2021/09/13, 07:21 - Simba: Will forward details now now
2021/09/13, 07:21 - Wade: I will phone my Private Banker after 08h30.
2021/09/13, 07:22 - Wade: I dont even know your name, where you are or anything.
2021/09/13, 07:24 - Wade: If the money comes into my account today, which it should do if you sent it, then we decided what the way forward is.
2021/09/13, 07:24 - Wade: But right now, I have nothing and you coukd be a scammer.
2021/09/13, 07:29 - Simba: I would never expect you to let the bikes leave your hands until the money is safely with you.
2021/09/13, 07:37 - Simba: I suspect I know what's going on here.  

You feel like you could be being scammed, and I now too believe that I could be being scammed.  ???? because I'm 99.9999% sure the money is in your account. And you just want to make sure it's legit.  If that's the case, I don't mind you making sure.  

I don't think I'm being scammed, it's just that I know it should be in your account and you saying it's not. Which makes me worried because 75k is a lot of money lol.  

Here my details. My name is Nicholas Moolman. You can verify that on Facebook. I am from PE.  (That's why I need the bikes taken to a bike shop)  once you have all the cash, you can drop them off at XXXXXXX with XXXXX. He can confirm who I am. I buy and sell as a hobby.  

Does this ease your mind?
2021/09/13, 08:14 - Wade: I am an honest businessman, been around for years and years... I been on FB for years, Bike Hub and LinkedIn. I am not going to steal your R75 k
2021/09/13, 08:15 - Simba: Thank you.  And I should hope the same applies to not backing out of our deal.  But I get the feeling you not that type of businessman ????????????????
2021/09/13, 08:15 - Simba: So let me know when you are comfortable with the R75k and the rest will follow.
2021/09/13, 10:22 - Simba: Paying the remaining 50k now
2021/09/13, 10:22 - Wade: Please dont...
2021/09/13, 10:22 - Simba: I don't understand......
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: Send me your bank details, I will refund you are money. It should be in my account by 11h00
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Simba: I don't follow though.  What's gone wrong?
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: Thanks...
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: I dont want to do business with you thanks.
2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: What do you mean? Isn't that irrelevant? We have an agreement ????????♂️
2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: FNB Cheque Account
Account Number XXXXXXXXX
Branch 250655
2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: It must please reflect immediately.
2021/09/13, 10:28 - Wade: Thanks, will send you an immediate payment as soon as it reflects.
2021/09/13, 10:31 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 11:31 - Simba: Is it in?
2021/09/13, 12:24 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/13, 12:27 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: I have sent you R50 k which is my daily limit
2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: You will receive the rest tomorrow...
2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: You should also have received an sms
2021/09/13, 14:29 - Wade: Apologies that I can't send it all in one go...
2021/09/13, 14:35 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 14:45 - Simba: Did you do an immediate payment?
2021/09/13, 14:45 - Wade: Yup
2021/09/13, 14:46 - Simba: Ok
2021/09/13, 14:46 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/13, 14:47 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 14:47 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/14, 08:09 - Wade: Do you want to buy the Supercaliber?
2021/09/14, 08:16 - Simba: How much
2021/09/14, 08:16 - Wade: It cost me R79 k... but, I want to get rid of it.
2021/09/14, 08:17 - Simba: I'll offer R55 500
2021/09/14, 08:17 - Wade: I will send you the R25 k
2021/09/14, 08:17 - Wade: Cherrs
2021/09/14, 08:20 - Simba: Yes, please do
2021/09/14, 08:24 - Simba: Please confirm once sent
2021/09/14, 11:42 - Simba: When will you send it?
2021/09/14, 14:36 - Simba: Was it immediate ?
2021/09/14, 17:45 - Simba: ?
2021/09/14, 17:50 - Wade: Standard Bank: R25000.00 paid from Acc. 9838 to XXXXXXX. 2021-09-14 Query? 0860123107.
2021/09/14, 17:50 - Wade: Did you receive the R50 k?
2021/09/14, 17:55 - Simba: Yes
2021/09/14, 17:57 - Wade: Not sure why you haven't received the R25 k
2021/09/14, 17:57 - Wade: Let me see if I can get hold of my personal banker
2021/09/14, 18:05 - Simba: Thanks
2021/09/15, 08:21 - Simba: Please send me the actuall proof of payment so I can follow up
2021/09/15, 09:00 - Wade: Will do. Not at home at the moment, give me 30 to 40 mins
2021/09/15, 09:00 - Wade: I can assure you it was sent
2021/09/15, 09:00 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/15, 09:01 - Simba: You also assured me we had a deal. And that didn't happen.
2021/09/15, 09:01 - Simba: So forgive me if I can't take you for your word
2021/09/15, 09:01 - Wade: Yes, then found out who you are...
2021/09/15, 09:02 - Simba: Way before that, you went back on your word.  You got a better offer, and needed to find out a way to get out of the deal.  So you attacked my character instead of being honest with me
2021/09/15, 09:05 - Wade: I still have the bikes... so don't come with your ***. Why would I send you the R50 k and not the rest.
2021/09/15, 09:05 - Simba: I don't believe you would not send it.
2021/09/15, 09:08 - Simba: You probably still have the bikes because the higher offer you thought you had fell through.  Of course, I am only speculating. All I know now, is I want my 25k back asap. Not sure why you didn't do a pay and clear.
2021/09/15, 09:09 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Wade: Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups mate
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Simba: Not always.  Not always.....
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Simba: Thank you
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Wade: Cheers
2021/09/15, 09:19 - Simba: I wish you the best.
2021/09/15, 10:06 - Simba: Can you please forward the original document to me.
2021/09/15, 10:12 - Simba: I'm looking for the document.  Not the screenshot.  I don't want to hear what your banker has to say.  I'd like the document. Why won't you just forward that to me?
2021/09/15, 10:13 - Wade: I am going to block you now... because you becoming an arsehole. You have been paid.
2021/09/15, 10:14 - Simba: All I'm asking for is the proof. How is that me being an asshole? Are you attaching my character again?
2021/09/15, 10:14 - Simba: Attacking
2021/09/15, 10:15 - Wade: Send me your ******* email address
2021/09/15, 10:15 - Simba: Hold up! Why are you becoming so aggressive???
2021/09/15, 10:15 - Wade: Send me your email address !!!
2021/09/15, 10:16 - Wade: Because you are calling me a liar...
2021/09/15, 10:16 - Simba: Not calling you a lier.  I'm asking for the document for my records.
2021/09/15, 10:16 - Simba: Please forward it here so its all in one place.
2021/09/15, 10:17 - Wade: SEND ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
2021/09/15, 10:32 - Simba: xxxxx@xxxx.co.za
2021/09/15, 10:38 - Wade: Sent
2021/09/15, 10:39 - Simba: Thank you
 

[Danger Dassie]

1 hour ago, Wade said:

Nicholas Captain Hans Moolman (a.k.a Hustler (1)... the other part is Ace Cycles, a.k.a. Emmanuel Sequeira or Hustler (2)). What nasty pieces of work (must be an Eastern Cape thing and hence the reason he resides down there, probably not allowed in Gauteng, so he works with Ace Cycles as a tag team)... they go around backing each other up and hustling people selling bicycles... be careful people, they plead poverty and try strong arm you into a lower price and when one doesnt come right, the other tries his luck to secure the deal... I experienced both clowns at it last week. Their reputation as "the dirty duo" is all over Facebook and by all accounts now on Bike Hub with their latest thread. They seem to enjoy making a nuisance of themselves)... Just Simba (has not fully graduated to Lion status yet); he is probably still a "pissie", promised to pay me R125 k (yes R125 k not R120 k as he wrote in his thread), then paid me R75 k (supposedly on immediate payment), which only arrived 4 days later. Never sent me a proof of payment, just told me it was paid... who does that??? With a promise to pay the rest; if you are serious about a deal, pay the whole amount upfront and send a proof of payment (none was forthcoming). As far as I am aware a deal is only a deal when the full payment is in the account... I never EVER said I got a better deal elsewhere, I said I dont want to do business with you and your fellow Hustler... Mr Ace Cycles!!! So when I told Pissie Simbia to **** off, Mr Ace Cycles tried his luck, made me a stupid offer... be careful people "the Hustlers" will get you!

Like many, I’ve dealt with Manny (ACE) a number of times, never an issue. Has always been a standup gent. As is his reputation. 

You have haven’t actually said anything substantive amongst the personal insults and aggro. Which makes one think there’s more to your post than let on.

[Just Simba]

20 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

Both of you could actually have a point and are both butthurt by the way the other did things.

We are all just super quick to assume the worst of each other, a situation and life. In reading the comments, I guess both of you could have done things differently to appease the other.

Communication ie '75k is my daily limit, please let me know when it clears' and 'Please send me a POP with a bank transaction number so I can call the bank to make sure it's being processed' might have gone a long way in making this work.

Regardless, I'm going to mildly enjoy watching this soap opera play out. It's been a while since we had a real dirty laundry thread

I hope that the copy of the conversation shows that the communication was clear and that the payment terms were discussed and accepted. Similar to the refund coming in 2 payments due to daily limits

[TheoG]

54 minutes ago, Dexter-morgan said:

Easy answer to this, just use Bikehub pay system and nothing like this would have happened, agree to share the 1% fee and everything is sorted.

I was also just about to say this.  Maybe the hub need to consider making mandatory for deals over a certain value .... just a suggestion.

[karma]

Soz Simba, looks like seller made an educated call when money did not reflect after a couple of days, he did not back out or change the terms because he got a better deal...well, not the way I read it. 

No one's word is good enough when it comes to that sort of cash, solid proof of payment is only the first step as well. 

 

[Jewbacca]

4 minutes ago, Just Simba said:

I hope that the copy of the conversation shows that the communication was clear and that the payment terms were discussed and accepted. Similar to the refund coming in 2 payments due to daily limits

That was gold.

On another note, both of you guys know that you can change your daily limit for a once off transaction? You just fill in the prompts, type in the OTP for verification and boom, you can extend your daily limit for just that day.

But regardless, I'm going to wait for Wade for his rebuttal. This is juicy

[Trashy]

16 minutes ago, TheoG said:

I was also just about to say this.  Maybe the hub need to consider making mandatory for deals over a certain value .... just a suggestion.

I refuse to do deals without Bikehub Pay for any seller that doesn't have an impeccable and long history on Bikehub. Can't fathom dealing with this kind of money without that surety. Both parties appear fools from the conversation supplied IMHO.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Trashy
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[Jewbacca]

2 minutes ago, TheoG said:

I was also just about to say this.  Maybe the hub need to consider making mandatory for deals over a certain value .... just a suggestion.

I don't think you can make it mandatory, but as a buyer or seller it should be insisted

[Barry]

11 hours ago, Just Simba said:

He told me that he got a better offer on the 2 other items, but that I can still have the 1 item if I'm interested 

After reading the whatsapp chat you posted. The seller does not state he got a better offer. This is your speculation thus above is not true.

[Hairy]

Just now, Jewbacca said:

I don't think you can make it mandatory, but as a buyer or seller it should be insisted

maybe a strongly worded suggestion to use this when dealer with larger amounts.

[Just Simba]

1 minute ago, Barry said:

After reading the whatsapp chat you posted. The seller does not state he got a better offer. This is your speculation thus above is not true.

Correct, that was my assumption as he said that he has a guy viewing the Top Fuel on Monday after I paid the deposit on Friday already

[Jewbacca]

Just now, Hairy said:

maybe a strongly worded suggestion to use this when dealer with larger amounts.

It's not up to bikehub though. It is up to the buyer or/and seller to strongly insist. Bikehub have given us the tools, so it's up to us to use them. 

 

[Just Simba]

6 minutes ago, karma said:

Soz Simba, looks like seller made an educated call when money did not reflect after a couple of days, he did not back out or change the terms because he got a better deal...well, not the way I read it. 

No one's word is good enough when it comes to that sort of cash, solid proof of payment is only the first step as well. 

 

Thanks man, I have never had an issue with express clearance before and both FNB and STD confirmed that the transaction was successful on Friday

[Nico van Loggerenberg]

7 hours ago, Mountain Bru said:

You and @Nico van Loggerenberg should start a support group....
Nico, did you ever find a bike? 

Yes sir, after another *** experience with a seller in the east rand who promised me the bike was mine, refused to accept upfront payment or a deposit, and then kept delaying our meeting due to 'family affairs' before selling to someone else, and then another *** experience with a very active reseller on the west rand who told me his bike was in 'perfect conditon' except the shock was broken and needed a full overhaul and the fork stanchion had a chip in and etc etc etc ... you know how it goes.

4 hours ago, Just Simba said:

 

Please dont compare my situation to Nico's

 

I agree, judging by your messages you are not nearly as forthright a buyer as you first made out and I have my popcorn ready for the rebuttals! 

????

[Hairy]

2 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

It's not up to bikehub though. It is up to the buyer or/and seller to strongly insist. Bikehub have given us the tools, so it's up to us to use them. 

 

Agreed, but people do not read the fine print .... sometimes you need to smash things into their faces to get their attention.

I see this on a regular basis with contractors or clients not reading the "Important notes" on plans or emails, which are usually in bold font and often highlighted in red too.

[Trashy]

28 minutes ago, Just Simba said:

2021/09/10, 13:30 - Messages and calls are end-to-end encrypted. No one outside of this chat, not even WhatsApp, can read or listen to them. Tap to learn more.
2021/09/10, 13:30 - Simba: Good afternoon
2021/09/10, 13:30 - Simba: I see you have 2 bikes that I'd like to be mine
2021/09/10, 13:31 - Simba: Any chance you'll take 100k for both?
2021/09/10, 13:33 - Wade: Norrafok
2021/09/10, 13:33 - Simba: ????
2021/09/10, 13:35 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/10, 13:48 - Simba: Ok thanks.  110k was my max
2021/09/10, 13:54 - Wade: R130 and they are both yours...
2021/09/10, 13:55 - Wade: And I will throw in the power meter
2021/09/10, 13:56 - Simba: I can try get to 120k incl power meter.
2021/09/10, 13:57 - Simba: But ill need a few mins
2021/09/10, 14:03 - Wade: R125 k including power meter
2021/09/10, 14:04 - Simba: I'm as tight as I could possibly go hey
2021/09/10, 14:04 - Wade: I have lots of interest in the bikes separately...
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: I will probably get R70 + R60 + R8 k
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: In the interests of a quick sale will do R125 k
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Wade: Let me know
2021/09/10, 14:05 - Simba: I hear you.  But I'm maxed out.  Hands are tied. Ite a pitty though
2021/09/10, 14:06 - Simba: But I hear you ????????
2021/09/10, 14:06 - Simba: I can't twist your arm?
2021/09/10, 14:13 - Simba: Ok I'm good for 120k.  Just need you to accept.
2021/09/10, 14:17 - Wade: Nope, sorry...
2021/09/10, 14:17 - Wade: Appreciate the offer...
2021/09/10, 14:18 - Simba: Ok.  No problem.
2021/09/10, 14:19 - Simba: I'm working on something.  Give me a few more mins
2021/09/10, 14:32 - Simba: I'm good to go
2021/09/10, 14:32 - Simba: Banking details?
2021/09/10, 14:33 - Wade: STANDARD BANK
CHEQUE ACCOUNT XXXXXXX
2021/09/10, 14:33 - Wade: Capt W Gomes
2021/09/10, 14:35 - Simba: Can I do 50k today , 50k tomorrow and 25k  the day after?
2021/09/10, 14:36 - Wade: Sure, will hand over the bikes when everything is showing in the bank
2021/09/10, 14:36 - Simba: Perfect
2021/09/10, 14:38 - Simba: And to confirm.  This is including power meter correct
2021/09/10, 14:39 - Wade: It's currently installed on the Top Fuel. I will leave it on the bike
2021/09/10, 14:39 - Simba: Cool
2021/09/10, 14:41 - Simba: A 75k express payment has been made. You should have it in 15 min or so
2021/09/10, 14:47 - Wade: Thanks
2021/09/11, 08:28 - Simba: Hi. Did you receive payment?
2021/09/11, 08:38 - Simba: The R75k I mean ????????
2021/09/11, 11:06 - Simba: Hey are you there? Need to know that the money went to the right account ????
2021/09/11, 12:52 - Wade: I got the notification but there are no funds reflecting yet
2021/09/11, 13:15 - Simba: Strange, I didn't send a notification, and I express cleared ????
2021/09/11, 13:16 - Simba: Please let me know when it clears so the balance can be paid.  

What does the notification look like that you recieved?
2021/09/11, 13:25 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/11, 13:29 - Simba: Cool. Chat Monday ( hopefully sooner).  Have a lekker weekend.
2021/09/11, 13:30 - Wade: Where are you based for bike delivery?
2021/09/11, 13:34 - Simba: Would you please be able to drop them at XXXXXX for me.
2021/09/13, 07:00 - Simba: Good morning.  Is the cash in? The remaining 50k will be sent today.  Also instant.
2021/09/13, 07:04 - Wade: Morning. No money in my account. Please don't send the other R50 k
2021/09/13, 07:06 - Wade: Will speak to my private banker today and revert.
2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: That simply is not possible. My bank had already confirmed payment on Friday
2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: This is very worrying
2021/09/13, 07:08 - Simba: Is this normal for stb?
2021/09/13, 07:09 - Wade: I have someone coming ro look at the Top Fuel today. If he takes the bike, then you can decide if you want the Supercaliber or I will refund you.
2021/09/13, 07:18 - Simba: I have just called my bank and they confirm that the payment was cleared on Friday

So firstly I am not happy that your are going back on your word

And secondly, why won't you admit that my money is in your account?

Unless you are making excuses to justify going back on our agreement?

I'd like the deal to stay in place.  

Let me know when the R75 000 is in, and the rest will follow.
2021/09/13, 07:19 - Wade: Send me your bank detail, so I can refund you.
2021/09/13, 07:20 - Simba: So you have the money then?
2021/09/13, 07:20 - Wade: What does this say...
2021/09/13, 07:21 - Simba: Will forward details now now
2021/09/13, 07:21 - Wade: I will phone my Private Banker after 08h30.
2021/09/13, 07:22 - Wade: I dont even know your name, where you are or anything.
2021/09/13, 07:24 - Wade: If the money comes into my account today, which it should do if you sent it, then we decided what the way forward is.
2021/09/13, 07:24 - Wade: But right now, I have nothing and you coukd be a scammer.
2021/09/13, 07:29 - Simba: I would never expect you to let the bikes leave your hands until the money is safely with you.
2021/09/13, 07:37 - Simba: I suspect I know what's going on here.  

You feel like you could be being scammed, and I now too believe that I could be being scammed.  ???? because I'm 99.9999% sure the money is in your account. And you just want to make sure it's legit.  If that's the case, I don't mind you making sure.  

I don't think I'm being scammed, it's just that I know it should be in your account and you saying it's not. Which makes me worried because 75k is a lot of money lol.  

Here my details. My name is Nicholas Moolman. You can verify that on Facebook. I am from PE.  (That's why I need the bikes taken to a bike shop)  once you have all the cash, you can drop them off at XXXXXXX with XXXXX. He can confirm who I am. I buy and sell as a hobby.  

Does this ease your mind?
2021/09/13, 08:14 - Wade: I am an honest businessman, been around for years and years... I been on FB for years, Bike Hub and LinkedIn. I am not going to steal your R75 k
2021/09/13, 08:15 - Simba: Thank you.  And I should hope the same applies to not backing out of our deal.  But I get the feeling you not that type of businessman ????????????????
2021/09/13, 08:15 - Simba: So let me know when you are comfortable with the R75k and the rest will follow.
2021/09/13, 10:22 - Simba: Paying the remaining 50k now
2021/09/13, 10:22 - Wade: Please dont...
2021/09/13, 10:22 - Simba: I don't understand......
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: Send me your bank details, I will refund you are money. It should be in my account by 11h00
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Simba: I don't follow though.  What's gone wrong?
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: Thanks...
2021/09/13, 10:26 - Wade: I dont want to do business with you thanks.
2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: What do you mean? Isn't that irrelevant? We have an agreement ????????♂️
2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: FNB Cheque Account
Account Number XXXXXXXXX
Branch 250655
2021/09/13, 10:27 - Simba: It must please reflect immediately.
2021/09/13, 10:28 - Wade: Thanks, will send you an immediate payment as soon as it reflects.
2021/09/13, 10:31 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 11:31 - Simba: Is it in?
2021/09/13, 12:24 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/13, 12:27 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: I have sent you R50 k which is my daily limit
2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: You will receive the rest tomorrow...
2021/09/13, 14:28 - Wade: You should also have received an sms
2021/09/13, 14:29 - Wade: Apologies that I can't send it all in one go...
2021/09/13, 14:35 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 14:45 - Simba: Did you do an immediate payment?
2021/09/13, 14:45 - Wade: Yup
2021/09/13, 14:46 - Simba: Ok
2021/09/13, 14:46 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/13, 14:47 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/13, 14:47 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/14, 08:09 - Wade: Do you want to buy the Supercaliber?
2021/09/14, 08:16 - Simba: How much
2021/09/14, 08:16 - Wade: It cost me R79 k... but, I want to get rid of it.
2021/09/14, 08:17 - Simba: I'll offer R55 500
2021/09/14, 08:17 - Wade: I will send you the R25 k
2021/09/14, 08:17 - Wade: Cherrs
2021/09/14, 08:20 - Simba: Yes, please do
2021/09/14, 08:24 - Simba: Please confirm once sent
2021/09/14, 11:42 - Simba: When will you send it?
2021/09/14, 14:36 - Simba: Was it immediate ?
2021/09/14, 17:45 - Simba: ?
2021/09/14, 17:50 - Wade: Standard Bank: R25000.00 paid from Acc. 9838 to XXXXXXX. 2021-09-14 Query? 0860123107.
2021/09/14, 17:50 - Wade: Did you receive the R50 k?
2021/09/14, 17:55 - Simba: Yes
2021/09/14, 17:57 - Wade: Not sure why you haven't received the R25 k
2021/09/14, 17:57 - Wade: Let me see if I can get hold of my personal banker
2021/09/14, 18:05 - Simba: Thanks
2021/09/15, 08:21 - Simba: Please send me the actuall proof of payment so I can follow up
2021/09/15, 09:00 - Wade: Will do. Not at home at the moment, give me 30 to 40 mins
2021/09/15, 09:00 - Wade: I can assure you it was sent
2021/09/15, 09:00 - Simba: ????????
2021/09/15, 09:01 - Simba: You also assured me we had a deal. And that didn't happen.
2021/09/15, 09:01 - Simba: So forgive me if I can't take you for your word
2021/09/15, 09:01 - Wade: Yes, then found out who you are...
2021/09/15, 09:02 - Simba: Way before that, you went back on your word.  You got a better offer, and needed to find out a way to get out of the deal.  So you attacked my character instead of being honest with me
2021/09/15, 09:05 - Wade: I still have the bikes... so don't come with your ***. Why would I send you the R50 k and not the rest.
2021/09/15, 09:05 - Simba: I don't believe you would not send it.
2021/09/15, 09:08 - Simba: You probably still have the bikes because the higher offer you thought you had fell through.  Of course, I am only speculating. All I know now, is I want my 25k back asap. Not sure why you didn't do a pay and clear.
2021/09/15, 09:09 - Wade: <Media omitted>
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Wade: Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups mate
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Simba: Not always.  Not always.....
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Simba: Thank you
2021/09/15, 09:10 - Wade: Cheers
2021/09/15, 09:19 - Simba: I wish you the best.
2021/09/15, 10:06 - Simba: Can you please forward the original document to me.
2021/09/15, 10:12 - Simba: I'm looking for the document.  Not the screenshot.  I don't want to hear what your banker has to say.  I'd like the document. Why won't you just forward that to me?
2021/09/15, 10:13 - Wade: I am going to block you now... because you becoming an arsehole. You have been paid.
2021/09/15, 10:14 - Simba: All I'm asking for is the proof. How is that me being an asshole? Are you attaching my character again?
2021/09/15, 10:14 - Simba: Attacking
2021/09/15, 10:15 - Wade: Send me your ******* email address
2021/09/15, 10:15 - Simba: Hold up! Why are you becoming so aggressive???
2021/09/15, 10:15 - Wade: Send me your email address !!!
2021/09/15, 10:16 - Wade: Because you are calling me a liar...
2021/09/15, 10:16 - Simba: Not calling you a lier.  I'm asking for the document for my records.
2021/09/15, 10:16 - Simba: Please forward it here so its all in one place.
2021/09/15, 10:17 - Wade: SEND ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
2021/09/15, 10:32 - Simba: xxxxx@xxxx.co.za
2021/09/15, 10:38 - Wade: Sent
2021/09/15, 10:39 - Simba: Thank you
 

Definitely saving this.

Bad communication 101: How to overcomplicate a simple process and introduce fear and anger into a straightforward business deal. Revised edition.