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Well shitty when compared to Curas - I wouldn't have said XTs were bad before I had Curas. Ignorance is bliss. They work, there are just better options out there. The XTs I have work like all other XT M8000s - no manufacturer fault or anything.

 

I store my bikes vertically front wheel up against the wall - that's where Shimanos take in air. Same on my wife's bike - she has Deore brakes. Out of the 3 bikes I have in the garage, only the bike with Curas don't take in air and need bleeding often. It's a well known issue on Shimanos.

Guess I'm lucky, no squishy, no frequent bleed, no issues and hanging on the wall vertically.

 

Don't doubt there are better or even just different out there, but mine feel fine to me, and not about to change what I perceive as perfectly working brakes with none of the issues being described, just because other people had issues.

 

Also not going to switch to a brand off a forum recommendation until at least try them for myself or at least get the rec from someone I know personally who's opinion I know I can trust, hence upgrading to xtr. 3 people, 2 of them pro racers told me xtr rocks with combined ridding experience that exceeds my existence on this planet.

 

Sure maybe a few years from now I will learn more **** and have a different opinion, but I have little reason to doubt the experts and little reason to go spend more money fixing something that's not broken.

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Guess I'm lucky, no squishy, no frequent bleed, no issues and hanging on the wall vertically.

 

Don't doubt there are better or even just different out there, but mine feel fine to me, and not about to change what I perceive as perfectly working brakes with none of the issues being described, just because other people had issues.

 

Also not going to switch to a brand off a forum recommendation until at least try them for myself or at least get the rec from someone I know personally who's opinion I know I can trust, hence upgrading to xtr. 3 people, 2 of them pro racers told me xtr rocks with combined ridding experience that exceeds my existence on this planet.

 

Sure maybe a few years from now I will learn more **** and have a different opinion, but I have little reason to doubt the experts and little reason to go spend more money fixing something that's not broken.

Not trying to get you to change brands or your opinion, or tell you you have made a bad choice, I was replying to a post someone else made regarding Curas and a comparison to my Shimano XTs - not the same brakes as yours. Edited by Grease_Monkey
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Not trying to get you to change brands or your opinion, or tell you you have made a bad choice, I was replying to a post someone else made regarding Curas and a comparison to my Shimano XTs - not the same brakes as yours.

Oh ya, sorry, I got that. My bad, was referring a bit more past tensy.
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Oh ya, sorry, I got that. My bad, was referring a bit more past tensy.

Naah don't worry, the XTRs will be perfect, and will probably serve you very well.

They are a bit more maintenance intensive than the Hope and formula offerings, but like with most things in life, if you dont know about it, you won't miss it. So you won't miss the modulation or brute strength of some of the others.

Which is why I don't ride on my friend's fancy bikes.

 

All the bikes in my house has different shimano brakes, and they are all stored vertically. The only brakes that need an occasional bleed, are the brakes on the big bike, they work hard, and thus the oil gets hot and breaks down quicker. But a proper bleed makes a world of difference when compared with a hasty bleed. Ask our friend Shawn how big a difference it made when his brakes were bled by my mechanic of choice.

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Naah don't worry, the XTRs will be perfect, and will probably serve you very well.

They are a bit more maintenance intensive than the Hope and formula offerings, but like with most things in life, if you dont know about it, you won't miss it. So you won't miss the modulation or brute strength of some of the others.

Which is why I don't ride on my friend's fancy bikes.

 

All the bikes in my house has different shimano brakes, and they are all stored vertically. The only brakes that need an occasional bleed, are the brakes on the big bike, they work hard, and thus the oil gets hot and breaks down quicker. But a proper bleed makes a world of difference when compared with a hasty bleed. Ask our friend Shawn how big a difference it made when his brakes were bled by my mechanic of choice.

Oh I heard all about that one, it does help when getting ones brakes blead, to have them actually blead.

 

From. My digging online, bleeding is a relatively easy task to do, and I like tinkering with my bike more than Shawn does, last time I looked the bleed kits were unjustifiably expensive for a man that owns 1 bike, it would take years to pay for itself.

 

Pad choice also makes a difference and I know I hang on my brakes more than I should and its something I am actively working on, but in the mean time I have a set of the enduro pads with the heat sinks on them heading my way.

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Oh I heard all about that one, it does help when getting ones brakes blead, to have them actually blead.

 

From. My digging online, bleeding is a relatively easy task to do, and I like tinkering with my bike more than Shawn does, last time I looked the bleed kits were unjustifiably expensive for a man that owns 1 bike, it would take years to pay for itself.

 

Pad choice also makes a difference and I know I hang on my brakes more than I should and its something I am actively working on, but in the mean time I have a set of the enduro pads with the heat sinks on them heading my way.

Bleeding a brake is actually very simple and you don't need a fancy kit at all. It's actually something I stayed away from doing until PhillipV ran me through it. Like with most things in life, once someone shows you, it's actually quite easy...

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Bleeding a brake is actually very simple and you don't need a fancy kit at all. It's actually something I stayed away from doing until PhillipV ran me through it. Like with most things in life, once someone shows you, it's actually quite easy...

Won't need to do it for a while, but will def look out for a kit and even pin PhilliV, but seen a few videos on it, looks dead simple.

 

I also have all intention on at least trying to replace my drive train in like a year or 2 when it's dead.

 

Suspension I will leave to the pros for now, may one day venture into the lower leg service zone, though I am considering popping out 1 of the volume spacers, apparently Scott shoved the max into the spark 940, I like what the guys said about the improved comfort after taking one out.

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Do it! Just be sure to use a chamferless 26mm socket. No need to do a lower leg service to pop off a volume spacer! Though it is easy to do the lower service. Just need the oil, brake cleaner and a couple of crush washers

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Do it! Just be sure to use a chamferless 26mm socket. No need to do a lower leg service to pop off a volume spacer! Though it is easy to do the lower service. Just need the oil, brake cleaner and a couple of crush washers

Ya spacer and lower leg were related, unrelated thoughts. Doddy did a vid on both lowers and volume spacers.

 

Does help knowing what we call the tool. [emoji23]

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This does seem to support your claims but as with all things...there are other variables too. 

According to this and all those variables some of the best brakes you can buy is some Formula Cura's and they are only ~R3,5k a set locally.

Deores are some of the best brakes you can buy for the money...this also proves it.

good article and well tested - lab and trail.

SRAM doesnt really feature anywhere too if you look at that lol. right at the bottom are the links to each individual brakeset. They all have flaws...some still using DOT fluid is one of them in my opinion.

 

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

Data is in the interpretation - when I read this list, trick stuff stops the best and has 4/5 modulation - value for money is important of course but can't be considered when deciding which brake is best - only brake which gets 9/10 for decelaration and modulation and happens to be the lightest

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Data is in the interpretation - when I read this list, trick stuff stops the best and has 4/5 modulation - value for money is important of course but can't be considered when deciding which brake is best - only brake which gets 9/10 for decelaration and modulation and happens to be the lightest

yes sure...but thats why i referred to all the individual reviews and not just the table content:

 

"The Trickstuff Direttissima brakes are the pinnacle of braking performance, with the best lever feel, power and refined modulation, However, factoring in the wild ‘€375 an end’ price tag they need to be perfect, and limited adjustment and a poor clamp design was disappointing"

 

other negatives include proprietary tools, bleed kits etc

so in my book atleast...the hopes and maguras are better as they offer 'more' value and VERY similar performace at the a better price.

 

not that I can afford any of them anyway lol. 

sorry, Won't derail the thead further.

 

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ah screw it, here goes:

 

my new set of spungy 'Shitmano' m6000 brakes and my frame color matching Marsh Guard :)

My new high volume 2.4 german conti Trail Kings which turn my outdated donkey crap 26" sun ringle mtx 33's into 650b's

and my very manchildy and oh so 90's  purple hope hubs and matching rotors  :P

oh and a super nice but very outdated new old stock 26" lyrik Rc2 Dh

 

:lol: 

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