SwissVan Posted February 16, 2022 Share 1 minute ago, Jewbacca said: Anton! Genau! Jewbacca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted February 16, 2022 Share https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-02-13-guns-and-needles-by-clinton-van-der-berg-even-the-world-famous-comrades-ultra-marathon-couldnt-avoid-the-doping-cloud/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 16, 2022 Share 51 minutes ago, SwissVan said: His inputs on the old Hub were fascinating. I was in school with Shawn, from primary school right up to matric (same class). He was an age-group BMX world champ too, and not only on the track. All round nice guy, but as we know, no-one's perfect, and we choose to do the things we do. SwissVan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkals. Posted February 16, 2022 Share On 2/15/2022 at 1:34 PM, love2fly said: Yes there is a list of the offenders but how about a list of all those who have been tested and the outcome? There are so many old "warhorses" being ex pros from years gone by involved in management at races and cycling events that after seeing what USPS orchestrated and how they used their influence, some skullduggery here in our back yard would not surprise me. Just like in F1 the FIA did not make public exactly WHAT Ferrari were doing? Why? To supposedly protect the sport.... I have NO sympathy for any doper, whether knowing, unknowing, willing or unwilling. From Owen Hannie to Lance Armstrong - I was a huge LA fan but after being duped I have nothing but contempt for them and consider doping a criminal act for which they should be charged and receive a record....but that's just me. you are going to get a heart attack, relax Danger Dassie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted February 16, 2022 Share 3 hours ago, Jakkals. said: you are going to get a heart attack, relax Best advice, enjoy the spectacle!! Pro cycling is like sausage, I love it but I don’t want to know how it’s made. 🤣🤣 Danger Dassie, peetwindhoek, Eldron and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanievb Posted February 16, 2022 Share #golance mecheng89, Wayne pudding Mol, SwissVan and 3 others 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted February 16, 2022 Share 34 minutes ago, fanievb said: #golance Finally, the last thing I'll say to the people who don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics: I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry that you can't dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. Jakkals., NotSoBigBen and fanievb 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted marshmallows Posted February 17, 2022 Share On 5/6/2016 at 10:36 AM, Patchelicious said: Anti doping events: SwartBerg100 GF, j2c, sani2c, Berg n Bush, 3 Towers. Not so anti doping: Freedom MTB Race. So j2c and pe2plett and K Evans did both.... David George does wines2whales....Epic also allowing convicted dopers to ride? Whats the point of having these rules when the organisers and race refs allow these okes to ride... many others slip through with little notice.... Sadly the sport is a mess from the federation to organisers. To the "professionals" to the schools league where kids get sold a dream of being the next Hatherley or stander if they do well in it... with no infrastructure to organically take these juniors to elite no varsity leagues just a champs and no club level racing or intermediate level for the step up to the u.s.a or Europe... So kids and parents start trolling sites looking for a wonder drug they can get a prescription for or OTC... micardis comes to mind (same mechanism of action as a aicar and a gw50156 and totally legal, or the famous disprin during a tt to take the edge off more placebo but works. What about taking some muscle relaxants and ibuprofen during a race thats legal and common practice amongst pros. I knew a guy who had 2 via viagras a day while racing elites....) Doping is not clear cut. You have a system and the sad part is it filled with loopholes cracks and miss information... you have a congestion take some decongestant thats green on the list makes you feel great so that athlete Continues to use it as he can now breathe easier... ends up moving to the next step how to push his limits more pain blockers.... next phase of his evolution strength or blood boosting or weight cutting (just hypothetical) DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 17, 2022 Share 10 minutes ago, Toasted marshmallows said: So j2c and pe2plett and K Evans did both.... David George does wines2whales....Epic also allowing convicted dopers to ride? Whats the point of having these rules when the organisers and race refs allow these okes to ride... many others slip through with little notice.... Sadly the sport is a mess from the federation to organisers. To the "professionals" to the schools league where kids get sold a dream of being the next Hatherley or stander if they do well in it... with no infrastructure to organically take these juniors to elite no varsity leagues just a champs and no club level racing or intermediate level for the step up to the u.s.a or Europe... So kids and parents start trolling sites looking for a wonder drug they can get a prescription for or OTC... micardis comes to mind (same mechanism of action as a aicar and a gw50156 and totally legal, or the famous disprin during a tt to take the edge off more placebo but works. What about taking some muscle relaxants and ibuprofen during a race thats legal and common practice amongst pros. I knew a guy who had 2 via viagras a day while racing elites....) Doping is not clear cut. You have a system and the sad part is it filled with loopholes cracks and miss information... you have a congestion take some decongestant thats green on the list makes you feel great so that athlete Continues to use it as he can now breathe easier... ends up moving to the next step how to push his limits more pain blockers.... next phase of his evolution strength or blood boosting or weight cutting (just hypothetical) Shjoe you make the case for obesity sound so food ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Back to sucking dope. Toon Aerts. Edited February 17, 2022 by TNT1 DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecheng89 Posted February 17, 2022 Share 17 hours ago, Danger Dassie said: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-02-13-guns-and-needles-by-clinton-van-der-berg-even-the-world-famous-comrades-ultra-marathon-couldnt-avoid-the-doping-cloud/ Danger Dassie, DieselnDust and TNT1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted February 17, 2022 Share 6 hours ago, TNT1 said: Back to sucking dope. Toon Aerts. breastcancer drugs.... wo man this is next level doping mecheng89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipV Posted February 25, 2022 Share I see Jared Graves has retired, and will work as performance coach for the Yeti team. I have mixed feelings about this guy. Great career, sullied by a doping scandal just before he stepped away to fight cancer, making the doping furore the least of his worries. Lest we forget that he also became the fall guy, allowing Richie Rude to get off lightly with a slap of the wrists. It's like a roller coaster of highs and lows. Danger Dassie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted February 25, 2022 Share 2 hours ago, PhilipV said: I see Jared Graves has retired, and will work as performance coach for the Yeti team. I have mixed feelings about this guy. Great career, sullied by a doping scandal just before he stepped away to fight cancer, making the doping furore the least of his worries. Lest we forget that he also became the fall guy, allowing Richie Rude to get off lightly with a slap of the wrists. It's like a roller coaster of highs and lows. Not all anti doping cases correlate into intent and scale though. https://revolutionmtb.com.au/world-exclusive-the-jared-graves-interview/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipV Posted February 25, 2022 Share 5 hours ago, Danger Dassie said: Not all anti doping cases correlate into intent and scale though. https://revolutionmtb.com.au/world-exclusive-the-jared-graves-interview/ If he didn't have to fight the cancer battle as well, I would have called BS, but for some reason I have some grace for him. No one needs all that at once in their lives. But TBH, have no hope for anyone relying on SA's supplement industry too. I remember a story from the RECM Team days that they used sponsored supplements that was made seperately from that brand's (I can't remember who the sponsor was) other supps to prevent cross contamination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted February 25, 2022 Share On 2/17/2022 at 8:29 AM, mecheng89 said: i tuned into the webinar on this for a bit. seemed to be mainly on rugby/atheltics, and how he had got into steroids himself! At the end he mentioned cycling, locally. seems like he might have had some access/chats with David george. could be interesting DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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