love2fly Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 8:59 AM, 'Dale said: It’s an elderberry anti-oxidant something mix that assists with inflammation etc. Expand Actually quite often it's a soft drink can....
Mamil Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 2:08 PM, DieselnDust said: Haematology isn’t my area but the main focus is on determining haematocrit level, blood plasma I.e checks for any artificial blood variants and indications of transfusions through checking various blood markers. They can also look for masking agents and look at structure of red blood cells that are anomalous. Expand If there are max haemocrit levels set and all or at least most meds act to increase this then I wonder how a doper would pass these tests? I can understand how they night risk it out of competition and train at the higher intensity but if Ving was tested 4 times in the 24 hours around the ITT I can't see how he would fool that. I don't have the medical.knowledge.to really evaluate that statement but I think I'm going to believe he's clean at this tour. DieselnDust, Prince Albert Cycles, LBKloppers and 2 others 4 1
Frosty Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 I take watching Pro sports as serious as watching a movie; is it entertaining? Who cares if it’s real or not. love2fly, NotSoBigBen, PhilipV and 1 other 3 1
ChrisF Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 9:13 AM, love2fly said: Yip, I'm with you on that and it's sad. I was LA's biggest fan and hated him for the huge betrayal, but the realisation that most were doping and time passes, mean I watch his The Move podcast religeously through each grand tour. When one competitor shines way above all the rest, I maybe default to those days of gross dishonesty. They even catch teams cheating in NASCAR and as a past motor racing competitor I've seen ways to cheat one would never dream of ...🙂 Expand Back then I watched the live feed of the races, and followed Lance like any true supporter .... To this day I am in two minds about his doping .... He DID pass the "tests of the day". The fact that his doctors were way ahead of the curve resulted in a much delayed "guilty verdict". Sadly that also means we can only wonder how far today's doctors are ahead of the curve ..... Still the "same logic" applies to this day .... each rider (well, all people in pro-sport) has access to the same medical professionals ..... Just a step, or two, away from going to a dietitian and getting "the best" goodies for pre- mid- and post-ride nutrition .... Lets face it, people will always push the boundaries .... tomorrows rules dont even know of the potential new "enhancements" .... Johan A Marais, love2fly, Scary Rider and 1 other 3 1
Eugene Oppelt Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 9:21 AM, love2fly said: Actually quite often it's a soft drink can.... Expand Quite often it's not, Cupcake splat and Zebra 1 1
Irvin85 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 More money is being spend on masking agents to get away with doping than there is spend on finding a cure for cancer. DNC, love2fly and LBKloppers 1 1 1
Mongoose! Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 11:47 AM, Irvin85 said: More money is being spend on masking agents to get away with doping than there is spend on finding a cure for cancer. Expand what is your source? edgarblount, DNC, mikkelz and 2 others 2 3
Shebeen Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 10:13 AM, ChrisF said: Back then I watched the live feed of the races, and followed Lance like any true supporter .... To this day I am in two minds about his doping .... He DID pass the "tests of the day". The fact that his doctors were way ahead of the curve resulted in a much delayed "guilty verdict". Sadly that also means we can only wonder how far today's doctors are ahead of the curve ..... Still the "same logic" applies to this day .... each rider (well, all people in pro-sport) has access to the same medical professionals ..... Just a step, or two, away from going to a dietitian and getting "the best" goodies for pre- mid- and post-ride nutrition .... Lets face it, people will always push the boundaries .... tomorrows rules dont even know of the potential new "enhancements" .... Expand It's not black and white. you can read Tyler Hamilton's book if you really are not sure what US Postal got up to. guess who passed drug tests but retired in her 20s when they brought in out of competition testing yes, those records still stand ChrisF and DieselnDust 1 1
Irvin85 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 A friend of mine who played Ausie Rules for South Africa, they had doping seminar in Australia where they discussed it in depth.
Mongoose! Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 12:32 PM, Irvin85 said: A friend of mine who played Ausie Rules for South Africa, they had doping seminar in Australia where they discussed it in depth. Expand No worries - basically 99% of all statements made on Bikehub are source less ... and this is my source less statement for the day 🙃 ChrisF, LBKloppers, Scary Rider and 2 others 5
love2fly Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 11:29 AM, 'Dale said: Quite often it's not, Cupcake Expand Last time someone called me Cupcake, we spent the night together ... Eugene Oppelt, Scary Rider, robbybzgo and 2 others 5
Pieter-za Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 11:47 AM, Irvin85 said: More money is being spend on masking agents to get away with doping than there is spend on finding a cure for cancer. Expand So that will be in excess of $24 Billion - I wonder where do they get the funding from, any ideas? Mongoose!, Danger Dassie, love2fly and 1 other 3 1
splat Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) On 7/21/2023 at 8:59 AM, 'Dale said: It’s an elderberry anti-oxidant something mix that assists with inflammation etc. Expand Cranberry or raspberry (used to be beetroot) according to Mr Roche Edited July 22, 2023 by splat Misspelt Nico's name Zebra 1
DieselnDust Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 11:47 AM, Irvin85 said: More money is being spend on masking agents to get away with doping than there is spend on finding a cure for cancer. Expand do you have the financials that speaks to this. If you meant to say "IMO, more money .......cure for cancer."
DieselnDust Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 12:31 PM, Shebeen said: It's not black and white. you can read Tyler Hamilton's book if you really are not sure what US Postal got up to. guess who passed drug tests but retired in her 20s when they brought in out of competition testing yes, those records still stand Expand who? your video is awol
DieselnDust Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 12:47 PM, Mongoose! said: No worries - basically 99% of all statements made on Bikehub are source less ... and this is my source less statement for the day 🙃 Expand Oi I protest, many bikehub statements have sauce and even sauces Scary Rider, Mongoose! and ChrisF 3
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