Does doping exist in SA?

[Kingg]

yeah, cycling is totally dope.

 

Even on Zwift, okes are "plying with their weight and ftp"

 

(Btw i'm a 19 year old girl on Zwift, that only weighs 42kg)

[Danger Dassie]

They don't test enough not in competition and not out of competition.

 

They should sommer start at the beginning.. When you take out a UCI or elite or whatever licence it is you do to race elites a mandatory Doping test should be done (at your own cost) before you even get that licence and then randomly over your first year as an elite (at your own costs) ... To start with.. . Sommer finished and klaar...

15k a test, good luck with that. Most licenced riders don't earn any income at all.

[Kingg]

42??, thats almost half my weight and I'm 20

[Jewbacca]

Sure, but that's true of anything throughout the legal system.

And here's an unpopular reality, doping will never stomped out. We're dealing with human nature, there will always be someone committing an offence/crime.

I think it's wider spread.

 

Events and/or CSA could blanket ban convicted dopers like Epic did. Or individual events could take a stand and life ban convicted dopers. Teams and sponsors could also take a stance on it.

 

There are many ways to skin a cat. The legal route might be the most absolute, but the community could also make life really difficult for those with a history. 

[Gen]

15k a test, good luck with that. Most licenced riders don't earn any income at all.

They can refund it to them if they don't test positive.

 

Maybe if they realise they can lose 15k before getting a licence they will think twice.

 

They test at school athletics meetings more than they test at cycle races.

Edited April 14, 2021 by Gen

[Pure Savage]

15k a test, good luck with that. Most licenced riders don't earn any income at all.

Even better way, start of every race, you get a vile on from every rider, mix it all together and test that. If any substance gets picked up, the race results are scrapped and prize money not given. ha ha ha

[FootballingCyclist]

I'm in the harsher punishment cat... been watching this doping sh!tshow for far too long.

 

 

Intentional doping for me should be a lifetime ban... as lovely a person as Lynette is, and as tragic as her circumstances are, there is no excuse for her racing while using PEDS. 

 

 

If she was using PEDS for her regrowth of muscle, her own mental health just to be able to get out and ride again, her depression etc then so be it as those conditions cannot be taken lightly because I know of people who have taken their own lives due to the above, but when she started riding again, knowing full well she was on PEDS she should then not have entered the racing ladies Category. She could've still ridden, maybe in the open seeded Categories, but not in the racing categories where there is prize money involved and then still accepted the prize money, That right there is the cheating. Yes maybe she wanted to be competitive and all, but she knew that she had taken illegal substances and still went and raced for the top honours and thus gets no sympathy from me for her ban!

[dave303e]

The whole world as a doping issue. Lockdown means that many many athletes have 6-12 month gaps in biological passports. If you were inclined having a 6 month period to hammer a few periods of drugging yourself to improve performance followed by a few months to get it out your system. WADA even noted this issue and didn't really have an answer about how they will work around this either. 3rd waves mean longer lockdowns and easy ways to hide away and not be tested for even longer periods. 

 

Now we start looking at the many many records that have been broken in the last few months and rethink our heroes...

 

Drugs in SA are massive though, I mean in 2018/2019 6 of the 9 positive tests for rugby players were minors. They literally only tested at one tournament, nowhere else. Imagine how bad the drug usage actually is.

[Danger Dassie]

The whole world as a doping issue. Lockdown means that many many athletes have 6-12 month gaps in biological passports. If you were inclined having a 6 month period to hammer a few periods of drugging yourself to improve performance followed by a few months to get it out your system. WADA even noted this issue and didn't really have an answer about how they will work around this either. 3rd waves mean longer lockdowns and easy ways to hide away and not be tested for even longer periods. 

 

Now we start looking at the many many records that have been broken in the last few months and rethink our heroes...

 

Drugs in SA are massive though, I mean in 2018/2019 6 of the 9 positive tests for rugby players were minors. They literally only tested at one tournament, nowhere else. Imagine how bad the drug usage actually is.

Not all that long ago Craven Week returned something like 16/26 doping positives, and there was the expose on Carte Blanche with a supplier of PEDs to parents, teachers/coaches and students alike.

So the culture of doping is rooted way deeper as a problem than lifetime bans and the like.

 

I know one thing though, if I had kids and found out there were any adults/guardians involved with pushing PEDs.

There would be more than hell to pay.

[Andrew Steer]

Not all that long ago Craven Week returned something like 16/26 doping positives, and there was the expose on Carte Blanche with a supplier of PEDs to parents, teachers/coaches and students alike.

So the culture of doping is rooted way deeper as a problem than lifetime bans and the like.

 

I know one thing though, if I had kids and found out there were any adults/guardians involved with pushing PEDs.

There would be more than hell to pay.

The problem in Rugby is huge... so much so, that I don't think you have a chance of making it to even Currie Cup level without some form of artificial assistance. 

So because nobody controls the drug problem, if you are a talented teen who's got the ability to go to the top, you get 'forced' to make the choice between making the grade and following your dreams, or spending the rest of your life wondering what might have been...

 

It's a terribly sad thing...

 

Anti-doping is often just the illusion of doping control for the sake of ethics and sponsors

[Danger Dassie]

I think it's wider spread.

 

Events and/or CSA could blanket ban convicted dopers like Epic did. Or individual events could take a stand and life ban convicted dopers. Teams and sponsors could also take a stance on it.

 

There are many ways to skin a cat. The legal route might be the most absolute, but the community could also make life really difficult for those with a history. 

For sure, I mean things like Salazaar and Icarus bring that home.

 

Personally I don't think things like blanket bans are really effective in the mid to long term, sure they appease an emotive vibe for a while. But that's it, they need to evolve outside of that.

Many events, teams and sponsors do take a stance and even have certain conditions written into their terms and contracts.

 

Community will always carry through, for the most part most probably don't even care for the politics and enjoy their riding regardless.

 

What I'll never subscribe to however is a mob effect and approach. I'm as frustrated as the next person, I'm also acutely aware of how some rise up in a sense of false morality and seem to be driven by public revenge porn.

I often wonder, are they actually driven by a sense of justice and concern, or do they enjoy the drama around the scandal. We see these on both sides when the headlines come out, and they enjoy too much attention because they shout the loudest.

[NickGM]

For sure, I mean things like Salazaar and Icarus bring that home.

 

This is more of an anecdote, but I remember Salazar winning the comrades in 1994. Given the recent revelations about his coaching methods and the fact that 94 was the "glory days" of EPO (ie: easy to access but no test existed), I find it really hard to believe that the win was clean. He was a great runner... but he'd been in the wilderness for 10 years. A number of athletes came out to SA in the early 90s (Anyone remember Katrin Krabbe & co?) because we were so naive about doping. What a better way to bow out than win a prestigious ultra marathon over a bunch of clueless locals. Speculation obviously, but he's lost the benefit of the doubt. 

[Andrew Steer]

This is more of an anecdote, but I remember Salazar winning the comrades in 1994. Given the recent revelations about his coaching methods and the fact that 94 was the "glory days" of EPO (ie: easy to access but no test existed), I find it really hard to believe that the win was clean. He was a great runner... but he'd been in the wilderness for 10 years. A number of athletes came out to SA in the early 90s (Anyone remember Katrin Krabbe & co?) because we were so naive about doping. What a better way to bow out than win a prestigious ultra marathon over a bunch of clueless locals. Speculation obviously, but he's lost the benefit of the doubt. 

That's the weird thing about dopers... they all only started doing it just before they got caught!

Always just such a big co-incidence

[eddy]

Well, the guys here would gladly have Lance imprisoned, or flogged, or shot, so...

 

 

Well, only some guys.

 

 

I personally don't want him to get off  that lightly....

[eddy]

Doesn't everyone just call Shan Wilson? 

 

 

No.

 

Someone calls the Nigerians to visit him in the restaurant...

Edited April 14, 2021 by eddy

[TNT1]

Well, only some guys.

 

 

I personally don't want him to get off  that lightly....

Yeah.

 

Personally I think he did no worse than anyone else. He has the personality (although he seems to have grown up a bit) of a dog turd, but sporting-wise, he did as much (maybe even less) than his peers did in terms of doping.