Tokyo Olympics 2020 - Cycling

[Yyyy]

I dont know if this was mentioned but can we just recognize AMP achievement in the TT for a second

She finished 8th and the only one to finish ahead of her who is not a known TT specialist (as far as I am aware) was Grace Brown.

AMP has had an amazing season so far

Edited July 29, 2021 by YaseenEnos

[DieselnDust]

2 minutes ago, YaseenEnos said:

I dont know if this was mentioned but can we just recognize AMP achievement in the TT for a second

She finished 8th and the only one to finish ahead of her who is not a known TT specialist (as far as I am aware) was Grace Brown.

AMP has had an amazing season so far

go check Ashleigh's insta post last night. warmed the cockles arteries of my heart

[kosmonooit]

If any Olympian mtb'er needs a hug its really Ondrej Cink, really was on his way to Bronze when he flatted in  big way and had to walk a long way back to the tech zone,  DNF.

[TheoG]

3 minutes ago, kosmonooit said:

If any Olympian mtb'er needs a hug its really Ondrej Cink, really was on his way to Bronze when he flatted in  big way and had to walk a long way back to the tech zone,  DNF.

Yes shame, he was very upset at the time.

[Underachiever]

3 minutes ago, kosmonooit said:

If any Olympian mtb'er needs a hug its really Ondrej Cink, really was on his way to Bronze when he flatted in  big way and had to walk a long way back to the tech zone,  DNF.

You go 1st.....

[Mountain Bru]

1 hour ago, Sid the Sloth said:

It takes so little effort to be nice instead of using words people don't like or find triggering. In fact admin even put in the effort to make sure you have to make zero effort. Thanks guys. Anyway, make sure you don't join the queue to give MVDP a hug as it is probably longer if all these comments have nothing to do with gender.

I 1000% agree, and like I said earlier, since reading that post referenced by Shebeen, I've have made sure not to say Spez anymore. The guy who brought it up explained his situation, which I understood and respected, and immediately changed my words. I have no way of knowing if the other guys did the same as their words would just have been changed if they said the wrong thing. On the issue of "should you intentionally say things to offend people", I think it's clear the world is a better place if we don't do that. (Who gets to decide what's offensive is a whole other can of worms)

A completely separate issue is automatically changing someone's words without telling them. I think that's egregious. Warning points, requests to not say offensive or derogatory things, banning people, even deleting intentionally offensive posts, etc, that all makes some sense. Actually changing what is said is something completely different. This might not even by the only thing thats auto-changed, and we just haven't noticed yet.  
 

[Patchelicious]

I hope Caleb and Sagan have kissed and made up. 

[Patchelicious]

1 hour ago, Mountain Bru said:

Actually changing what is said is something completely different.

That pretty ***.

Can I edit what the Mods say?
 

 

 

[Patchelicious]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I love lamp and Spez

Oh do you?  Me too ????

[Vetplant]

On the mental wellbeing topic:

I attended a talk hosted by three elite sportsmen. Can't remember exactly who was there but Ryk Neetling was one. 

He shared an interesting fact that out of all the olympians, the one's who had the worst of the depression and suicide was actually those who won Gold. 

You get so much attention and adoration for your achievement, all those years of sacrifice finally placed you at the top, but fairly quickly it all goes quite, deafeningly so. 

They have nothing else to work for, they reached the ultimate goal. And now the attention is gone. 

Some of them are then simply unable to process this to then just build a new goal to chase. 

[NixM]

5 hours ago, Shell Belle said:

There was nothing innocent about that comment, or the others that followed.  The extent to which the sexualisation of female athletes has become normalized is really quite astounding.  The mere fact that you think that you can “queue* to hug a pretty lady” and consider it an innocent comment shows just how normalized it has become. 
 

That whole “discussion” was off-base and deserved to be deleted. 

Thanks, well said. Those comments made me feel properly creeped out. How do the fathers here feel if a group of men were talking about "queuing up to hug their daughter"?

[FootballingCyclist]

41 minutes ago, Vetplant said:

On the mental wellbeing topic:

I attended a talk hosted by three elite sportsmen. Can't remember exactly who was there but Ryk Neetling was one. 

He shared an interesting fact that out of all the olympians, the one's who had the worst of the depression and suicide was actually those who won Gold. 

You get so much attention and adoration for your achievement, all those years of sacrifice finally placed you at the top, but fairly quickly it all goes quite, deafeningly so. 

They have nothing else to work for, they reached the ultimate goal. And now the attention is gone. 

Some of them are then simply unable to process this to then just build a new goal to chase. 

To add to this, I have many many friends across different sporting codes who are at the highest level, some retired SA sport legends, Having had many many convos with them, one of the biggest things is that every little step they take they are being watched and every decision they make gets scrutinized as there will always be those who support you aswell as those who are just out to be nasty and nitpick, and yes with the game comes the responsibility etc, but even after retiring they're still watched with everything they do, So often they may feel they aren't able to actually just live a full life!! 

 

I saw a comment on a post earlier by a sports scientist who hit the nail on the head in very few words, he said "The surprise is it that it was said, not that it happened", and this is so true. It's not a surprise to so many that people are suffering from mental issues, it's more a surprise that it's now being put out there more often than we have been used to in the past!!

[justinafrika]

8 hours ago, Shell Belle said:

There was nothing innocent about that comment, or the others that followed.  The extent to which the sexualisation of female athletes has become normalized is really quite astounding.  The mere fact that you think that you can “queue* to hug a pretty lady” and consider it an innocent comment shows just how normalized it has become. 
 

That whole “discussion” was off-base and deserved to be deleted. 

Thank you.

Whether lecturing at varsities or facilitating corporate training, for MANY years I've found that I'm simply unable to say that I love watching pro volleyball without an assuming male chirping "beach volleyball" to sniggers from half of the males in class. E-V-E-R-Y  T-I-M-E. School-leaving kids are still doing this, FFS! Evolve already.

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by justinafrika

[DieselnDust]

25 minutes ago, justinafrika said:

Thank you.

Whether lecturing at varsities or facilitating corporate training, for MANY years I've found that I'm simply unable to say that I love watching pro volleyball without an assuming male chirping "beach volleyball" to sniggers from half of of the males in class. E-V-E-R-Y  T-I-M-E. School-leaving kids are still doing this, FFS! 

 

stupidity isn't something to be angry at. Sympathy is a better come back

I used to play volley ball at high school, all 172cm of me

[J Wakefield]

When you look at the topics or continuous monotony when it comes to the Olympics or World champs from athletes on how they were managed (I say that lightly) kit orders, staff compliments and the likes from either CSA or Sascocc it’s always the same year after year from riders and watchers (like us here) 

nothing changes ever and this year it is no different again. Info coming out is mind blowing and disrespectful to athletes involved. 
 

after putting my hand up for World champs now as a favor to some athletes, it came down very quickly after a few back and forths and “rules” 

 

[Block]

22 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

You do realise that Stefan was only called up to participate in the Olympics a month before the road race and that Darryl Impey's kit did likely not fit Stefan very well. So did they have to make do with extra they ordered or was a problem with getting his sizing? Was Stefan always the back up or was he a last minute decision? They're similar height but quite different in build. Could this have something to do with using his road race kit for the TT?

Frustration and dissatisfaction channeled to the right places makes a difference. Posting crap on social media just makes you look ungrateful, entitled and arrogant and Stefan is none of that. I suspect Stefan's tweet about his speedo was more tongue in cheek and that was was then raised to a different level by the trackie. Sorting problems out internally and directly delivers far more effective results than social media bashing.

 

Is CSA up to the task of delivering? That's an interesting question because it really does speak to the financial liquidity of the organisation and the people now in place. We know there are new people in the upper management structures. After 2 decades of mismanagement the new org has been in place for just under a year and we expect that this organisation must perform as well as Britch Cycling, KNWU, Cycling USA or any other highly funded and well established org? Well that right there is the root of the Saffa problem.  We live in an alternate reality. We think we are better than we are. In reality we don't operate at the same level as other Federations around the globe. We're decidedly third world as far as cycling goes.

CSA is in a rebuilding phase that is going to take at least 5 years of stability to get the ship sailing well and on course and here we are hammers inhand to break it down again because a few cyclists feel they were short changed because their bib was a cm too short and my mechanic was late. What a freakin joke.

 

Not sure why you are so super defensive of CSA. If SdB was called up a month before the event there was more than sufficient time to get the correct size kit. By the way their kit only arrived about 1 1/2 days prior to the event  and was still incorrect sizes and wrong kit.  Stop defending a non operative non supporting organisation. In any business if the turn around time is at least 5 years they will close it down immediately (except SAA abd CSA). Lets just agree to disagree  that CSA is not fulfilling their mandate and there is no support for our athletes