Cape Town Cycle Tour 2022

[Jbr]

14 minutes ago, babse said:

Pulled time back from chappies till the finish 

We seem to have lost time after Suikers on everyone, ahead and behind, Waldo and I were pulling a decent little group but not a lot of cooperation, we even picked up a few guys that sat in and sprinted to the line... for P60 🤣

Edited February 17, 2022 by Jbr

[MORNE]

1 hour ago, Meezo said:

Seems like a lot of kuk to consider just for a sub 3

Just moer it

Also:

and you’ll be fine lol.

[Mamil]

5 minutes ago, KingZA said:

I had an FTP of 3.6W/Kg in October and these are my stats from @ (Pretty sure we did a similar time to 1B)

Edinburgh Dr = 4:15 at 124%
Smits = 9:17 at 107%
Smits Steep = 2:13 at 134%
Little Chappies = 3:01 at 122%

This is where I got dropped so will leave out the rest 😂😅

That's super interesting and useful. Thanks.

[Frosty]

@mecheng89 Here’s an actual race file I sent to an international rider (50+) to help him prepare for the event.

It’s a 3:01 race time, as some of it was before and after the race. This international rider is only interested in finishing with his start group, and not so much time.

[Pure Savage]

9 hours ago, Frosty said:

@mecheng89 Here’s an actual race file I sent to an international rider (50+) to help him prepare for the event.

It’s a 3:01 race time, as some of it was before and after the race. This international rider is only interested in finishing with his start group, and not so much time.

Should send them the data for when its a howling SE>

[Jewbacca]

Is all of this humble bragging or is there actually merit in looking at other people's data?

Surely, if you are doing CTCT to go as fast as possible, you prepare to go as fast as possible? If you're slightly undercooked then sobeit, but you're not going to look at data and say 'I'm there, sub3 in the bag' and stop trying to put more in the bank.

IMHO if you're sitting on the cusp of a sub3 trying to figure out what to do to stay with the group the answer is 10  minute efforts. The answer is always 10 minute efforts!

But seriously, I'm interested in how one takes this data and actually applies it to a real world scenario with all the variables at play like group dynamics, where you were in the group, how much work you did, how many attacks there were, temp, wind etc

In the unlikely event we have perfect, still, cool weather again, what got you home in 2:59 last year likely won't get you home again.

 

[Bub Marley]

17 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

Is all of this humble bragging or is there actually merit in looking at other people's data?

Surely, if you are doing CTCT to go as fast as possible, you prepare to go as fast as possible? If you're slightly undercooked then sobeit, but you're not going to look at data and say 'I'm there, sub3 in the bag' and stop trying to put more in the bank.

IMHO if you're sitting on the cusp of a sub3 trying to figure out what to do to stay with the group the answer is 10  minute efforts. The answer is always 10 minute efforts!

But seriously, I'm interested in how one takes this data and actually applies it to a real world scenario with all the variables at play like group dynamics, where you were in the group, how much work you did, how many attacks there were, temp, wind etc

In the unlikely event we have perfect, still, cool weather again, what got you home in 2:59 last year likely won't get you home again.

 

Data shmata. People focus on too much nonsense these days. Just give it everything you got and ride your bike.

[Jbr]

Very different scenari to do similar times depending in which group you are in, you are right. But most of the time having that 5-10m max effort will allow you to hang on to the group that can help you get the time you are looking for. We don't have data for every group to know for sure what kind of effort you're looking for in each group, but from what I heard, most years the decider is chappies. Of course if it's windy with gutters the race might be harder meaning if you trained only for 5mins effort and don't have good threshold power you're not going to have a good time, but when you prepare 2 weeks in advance you can't prepare for every scenario I guess

I'm a big believer in data, when I get dropped, I like to analyse why and try to improve on the aspects that cause me to fail. When you consistently get dropped on 4mins climbs, well that gives you an idea on what you need to work, and analysing your data and the ones of guys who didn't helps you set goals... hopefully achievable ones

Edited February 18, 2022 by Jbr

[Mamil]

19 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

Is all of this humble bragging or is there actually merit in looking at other people's data?

Surely, if you are doing CTCT to go as fast as possible, you prepare to go as fast as possible? If you're slightly undercooked then sobeit, but you're not going to look at data and say 'I'm there, sub3 in the bag' and stop trying to put more in the bank.

IMHO if you're sitting on the cusp of a sub3 trying to figure out what to do to stay with the group the answer is 10  minute efforts. The answer is always 10 minute efforts!

But seriously, I'm interested in how one takes this data and actually applies it to a real world scenario with all the variables at play like group dynamics, where you were in the group, how much work you did, how many attacks there were, temp, wind etc

In the unlikely event we have perfect, still, cool weather again, what got you home in 2:59 last year likely won't get you home again.

 

Probly true that about 10 Min efforts.

Its interesting to see other people's data I think. And useful too. And it appeals to my nerdish nature.

Frosty and jbrs data especially interesting.

Whether or not I get a sub 3 I don't really mind. Don't get me wrong I'll never stop regaling anyone who.listens and most of those who would rather not hear about it if I do ... 

 

[Jewbacca]

18 minutes ago, Jbr said:

Very different scenari to do similar times depending in which group you are in, you are right. But most of the time having that 5-10m max effort will allow you to hang on to the group that can help you get the time you are looking for. We don't have data for every group to know for sure what kind of effort you're looking for in each group, but from what I heard, most years the decider is chappies. Of course if it's windy with gutters the race might be harder meaning if you trained only for 5mins effort and don't have good threshold power you're not going to have a good time, but when you prepare 2 weeks in advance you can't prepare for every scenario I guess

I'm a big believer in data, when I get dropped, I like to analyse why and try to improve on the aspects that cause me to fail. When you consistently get dropped on 4mins climbs, well that gives you an idea on what you need to work, and analysing your data and the ones of guys who didn't helps you set goals... hopefully achievable ones

I fully get using your own data to figure out your own weak points to see where to shift focus.

If you take the 5 and 10 minute rule as a given, I firmly believe the rest looks after itself. 

But then again, I'm a solid mid pace hack who was once, long ago, slightly better than that and the fact that the allure of data excites me, but actual data bores me.

I'm probably just projecting 🙈

[DieselnDust]

If you focus solely on 10 min efforts you will get dropped. Decisive actions happen at and above threshold but the work is in the tempo zone….

[NickGM]

6 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

I fully get using your own data to figure out your own weak points to see where to shift focus.

If you take the 5 and 10 minute rule as a given, I firmly believe the rest looks after itself. 

But then again, I'm a solid mid pace hack who was once, long ago, slightly better than that and the fact that the allure of data excites me, but actual data bores me.

I'm probably just projecting 🙈

It's all about the data:

 

[Frosty]

45 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

Is all of this humble bragging or is there actually merit in looking at other people's data?

Surely, if you are doing CTCT to go as fast as possible, you prepare to go as fast as possible? If you're slightly undercooked then sobeit, but you're not going to look at data and say 'I'm there, sub3 in the bag' and stop trying to put more in the bank.

IMHO if you're sitting on the cusp of a sub3 trying to figure out what to do to stay with the group the answer is 10  minute efforts. The answer is always 10 minute efforts!

But seriously, I'm interested in how one takes this data and actually applies it to a real world scenario with all the variables at play like group dynamics, where you were in the group, how much work you did, how many attacks there were, temp, wind etc

In the unlikely event we have perfect, still, cool weather again, what got you home in 2:59 last year likely won't get you home again.

 

If you look at the data from the bunch and not just one person, you’ll see the times on the climbs. Mentally you can prepare yourself for that duration plus some. Knowing how long it takes to recover from an effort and being able to go again, and again is what separates one from staying in the bunch and the chasers.

Also, knowing the distance to go and how long it should take (based on previous race data) will make it easier to pace the effort. The fact that the course file can be uploaded, and the virtual partner, it’s easy to get “live” info on the finish time.

[Jewbacca]

3 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

If you focus solely on 10 min efforts you will get dropped. Decisive actions happen at and above threshold but the work is in the tempo zone….

Surely if you are already at the sub3 cusp you have been looking after everything else?

The question at play is what to do to make sure you stay with the sub 3 group if you are unsure.

One is not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater and ONLY do 5 and/or 10 minute efforts.

[Frosty]

1 hour ago, Pure Savage said:

Should send them the data for when its a howling SE>

Which year should I look for? 😁
I remember 2009 being a rough one.

[Jewbacca]

2 minutes ago, Frosty said:

If you look at the data from the bunch and not just one person, you’ll see the times on the climbs. Mentally you can prepare yourself for that duration plus some. Knowing how long it takes to recover from an effort and being able to go again, and again is what separates one from staying in the bunch and the chasers.

Also, knowing the distance to go and how long it should take (based on previous race data) will make it easier to pace the effort. The fact that the course file can be uploaded, and the virtual partner, it’s easy to get “live” info on the finish time.

I get that.

Using the bunch time makes sense to me.

I'm saying that the base data is easy to follow, but individual race data is pretty pointless, especially from race groups, as it isn't relevant every time. 

One could almost definitely ride a sub3 a number of ways successfully which differs from how a race group did it.

The race group essentially rides a sub3 because they are invariably strong. The sub3 comes due to the very fact that they are top of the food chain.

It is not a measured approach to ensure the success of the goal.

Anyway, I am only hoping to get as close to 3:20 on my 20" bike. Hopefully some people in my mid pack group put in some effort. 2B or not 2B!