Motorists vs Cyclists.... again

[Pure Savage]

On 5/25/2022 at 2:27 PM, Duane_Bosch said:

I once had words with a lady in Kalk Bay. Her basic justification for running me into the gutter was that the road was very narrow there so she had no choice. The thought of slowing down till it was safe to overtake hadn't even entered into her thinking.

Probably find not much ever entered her mind.

[Pure Savage]

1 hour ago, PhilipV said:

Ideally that should have been a 4ton truck delivering in the city. 

But it might as well have been a long distance delivery that won't have been on a small truck. 

Taxing them out of existence is a non-starter. Our Just-in-time supply chain driven economy means that big trucks are here to stay. 

 

Many cities are already banning them, its going to take time but people are getting tired of hearing about people being killed by vehicles that should never be in city centres.

[DieselnDust]

1 minute ago, Pure Savage said:

Many cities are already banning them, its going to take time but people are getting tired of hearing about people being killed by vehicles that should never be in city centres.

Australia is way ahead on this , nanny state that they are. But I’ll take that over our chaos anyday

[PhilipV]

1 hour ago, Pure Savage said:

Many cities are already banning them, its going to take time but people are getting tired of hearing about people being killed by vehicles that should never be in city centres.

It might be fine in affluent countries, but it's going to drive up transport costs, leading to inflation.

And I agree that it makes sense in city centres with narrow roads that have a DC in close proximity to use smaller trucks, but dispatching one chiller truck to service three or four stores is a more efficient than sending two or three 5ton trucks, or having them drive twice. I'm saying this as a transport operator, I don't send my 8t tricks into Cape Town, in favor of sending a bakkie or a 4t, but it always reflects in the price. 

Ps: I'm curious wether there is solid stats about deaths involving trucks compared to taxis, motors and even drunk driving. I don't think that banning trucks will make a discernable difference. 

 

 

[MORNE]

1 hour ago, DieselnDust said:

Australia is way ahead on this , nanny state that they are. But I’ll take that over our chaos anyday

like lower main in OBZ…barely space for a 2 vespas to pass each other…but interlink lorries think its an awesome idea to use it

[PhilipV]

1 hour ago, DieselnDust said:

Australia is way ahead on this , nanny state that they are. But I’ll take that over our chaos anyday

I'll take decent public transport over our taxis and single occupant cars any day. 

And while I'm in Lalaland, I'll take a few honest politicians, low fuel prices and my kids to sleep better. 

[MORNE]

53 minutes ago, PhilipV said:

I'll take decent public transport over our taxis and single occupant cars any day. 

And while I'm in Lalaland, I'll take a few honest politicians, low fuel prices and my kids to sleep better. 

Well the public transport is riddled with drug dealers  because drugs are cheaper than booze, fuel literally cost the same as here ($2Au/L @ x R11  except a car disk will cost you about 10x as much there, and  their politicians are just as bonkers with their shitty federal government models, infighting and lies, You also get forced to vote. If you dont you go to jail. No such thing as abstaining in oz. And everybody by now knows about their borderline communist social media/internet monitoring. Its not all sunshine and roses.
 

- ps my mom lives there and ive spent a lot if time there 😅 

also, i was in dubai the past 3 weeks and was kind of shocked that fuel cost around R18/L there too. Granted its cheaper than here but considering oil flows from taps in that place…..

Also, …we take for granted that we can drink our tap water. Its not a given in the first world

Edited May 26, 2022 by MORNE

[ChrisF]

TANKWA - WP

 

What a nice (white) 4x4 bakkie, nicely kitted.

 

Thule racks on the canopy, with a nice (white) MTB on it.

 

Driver might have seen me greeting him, IF he could get his eyes out of his phone texting exercises long enough to note the traffic around him .... 

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, ChrisF said:

TANKWA - WP

 

What a nice (white) 4x4 bakkie, nicely kitted.

 

Thule racks on the canopy, with a nice (white) MTB on it.

 

Driver might have seen me greeting him, IF he could get his eyes out of his phone texting exercises long enough to note the traffic around him .... 

L…E…G…E….N…..D!!!

[MORNE]

2 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

L…E…G…E….N…..D!!!

 

Although these days hanging around tankwa in a hilux would relegate one to peasant status instead i presume.
So…….new defender with all the factory extra travel boxes bolted to the ‘windows’? 😊

Edited May 26, 2022 by MORNE

[SwissVan]

11 hours ago, MORNE said:

Well the public transport is riddled with drug dealers  because drugs are cheaper than booze, fuel literally cost the same as here ($2Au/L @ x R11  except a car disk will cost you about 10x as much there, and  their politicians are just as bonkers with their shitty federal government models, infighting and lies, You also get forced to vote. If you dont you go to jail. No such thing as abstaining in oz. And everybody by now knows about their borderline communist social media/internet monitoring. Its not all sunshine and roses.
 

- ps my mom lives there and ive spent a lot if time there 😅 

also, i was in dubai the past 3 weeks and was kind of shocked that fuel cost around R18/L there too. Granted its cheaper than here but considering oil flows from taps in that place…..

Also, …we take for granted that we can drink our tap water. Its not a given in the first world

Pfffft…. Try CHF 2.20/L = R35/L

But at least cyclists rights are respected by motorists (respected might be going to far, tolerated is probably more accurate) and you can drink the tap water as well 🤟😁

[MORNE]

34 minutes ago, SwissVan said:

Pfffft…. Try CHF 2.20/L = R35/L

But at least cyclists rights are respected by motorists (respected might be going to far, tolerated is probably more accurate) and you can drink the tap water as well 🤟😁

Ok but Switzerland hates anything to do with anything that has a internal combustion engine, so its like OZ taxing the crap out of booze i guess haha. It ‘forces’ people to use drugs? 🤣 Thats cool though, in your case i guess it forces positive change? So its worth it. 🤷‍♂️

Edited May 27, 2022 by MORNE

[SwissVan]

6 minutes ago, MORNE said:

Ok but Switzerland hates anything to do with anything that has a internal combustion engine, so its like OZ taxing the crap out of booze i guess haha. It ‘forces’ people to use drugs? 🤣 Thats cool though, in your case i guess it forces positive change? So its worth it. 🤷‍♂️

I believe the high price is actually to subsidize the national sport of roadworks.

They hate potholes more than smokey noisy 2 stroke engines

 

[MORNE]

34 minutes ago, SwissVan said:

I believe the high price is actually to subsidize the national sport of roadworks.

They hate potholes more than smokey noisy 2 stroke engines

 

We have that here too, but i think it funds black G-wagons with blue lights

[dave303e]

16 hours ago, PhilipV said:

Ideally that should have been a 4ton truck delivering in the city. 

But it might as well have been a long distance delivery that won't have been on a small truck. 

Taxing them out of existence is a non-starter. Our Just-in-time supply chain driven economy means that big trucks are here to stay. 

 

Quantities of scale though. Say you are a business/shop owner in CBD. Now you need 24tons from a single supplier delivered once a week. Are you going to pay a driver 8 times to drive the goods in a 4 ton truck, pay 2 guys to repack a big truck into a smaller one, plus the extra fuel, tyre wear etc. When you can get a truck to deliver it one time for less? 

 

 

[PhilipV]

14 minutes ago, dave303e said:

Quantities of scale though. Say you are a business/shop owner in CBD. Now you need 24tons from a single supplier delivered once a week. Are you going to pay a driver 8 times to drive the goods in a 4 ton truck, pay 2 guys to repack a big truck into a smaller one, plus the extra fuel, tyre wear etc. When you can get a truck to deliver it one time for less? 

 

 

EdZackery. Or worse, a container full of imported goods. 

Fortunately, most of my clients are in the platteland. We don't mind trucks here.