Motorists vs Cyclists.... again

[DieselnDust]

28 minutes ago, 117 said:

It doesnt give people the right to break the rule then is it? Single file is single file. All road users have to adhere to the rules. And if it makes the trek longer for the cyclists to hit their turn around point, then so be it. The same goes for the car traffic that have to wait longer

Riding abreast leads to a knock on effect for grumpy FT's to overtake regardless of the line situation. I bet that Getz driver had had enough of it by then - all grumpy grumpy because the roadies owned that part of the road. 

Whilst I do agree and have stated as much that the getz driver is also at fault, one must never overlook the initial rule breakers in this story. 

Maybe Duane can give an exact pin location that it happened? 

Besides, come ride the 947 mtb race and experience a traffic jam

Sorry, I couldnt wait for friday

No it doesn't give anyone the right to break the rule. Do we know if the three riders were in a state of passing? No. i.e. the rider on the outside could have been passing the other two and this is allowed under the law where its states single unless passing another cyclist.

So we don't know if they were breaking the law wilfully or if its a matter a viewing a picture to make judgement when the movie would reveal more.

We do know the Getz was impatient and overtook across a solid white line when it was not safe to do so.

Western Cape By-Laws allow for motorists to overtake a cyclist across a solid line when safe to do so and oncoming traffic is not endangered. In this case Duane was endangered, the three cyclists being passed were endangered and the tailgating cyclist (Stupid as he may be) was endangered by the actions of the Getz.

Pinning the cause of the accident on three cyclists smacks of facebook logic. The only law violation that can be proven here is dangerous and negligent driving by the Getz driver and either Duane or the cyclist has to make a case to get any traction on the matter. 

Lobbing grenades at roadies wont get you a DC team matjie

Edited August 30, 2022 by DieselnDust

[TheoG]

9 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

No it doesn't give anyone the right to break the rule. Do we know if the three riders were in a state of passing? No. i.e. the rider on the outside could have been passing the other two and this is allowed under the law where its states single unless passing another cyclist.

So we don't know if they were breaking the law wilfully or if its a matter a viewing a picture to make judgement when the movie would reveal more.

We do know the Getz was impatient and overtook across a solid white line when it was not safe to do so.

Western Cape By-Laws allow for motorists to overtake a cyclist across a solid line when safe to do so and oncoming traffic is not endangered. In this case Duane was endangered, the three cyclists being passed were endangered and the tailgating cyclist (Stupid as he may be) was endangered by the actions of the Getz.

Pinning the cause of the accident on three cyclists smacks of facebook logic. The only law violation that can be proven here is dangerous and negligent driving by the Getz driver and either Duane or the cyclist has to make a case to get any traction on the matter. 

Lobbing grenades at roadies wont get you a DC team matjie

You right, there are a number of assumptions with nothing to proof or dis-proof them.

[Duane_Bosch]

1 hour ago, DieselnDust said:

No it doesn't give anyone the right to break the rule. Do we know if the three riders were in a state of passing? No. i.e. the rider on the outside could have been passing the other two and this is allowed under the law where its states single unless passing another cyclist.

So we don't know if they were breaking the law wilfully or if its a matter a viewing a picture to make judgement when the movie would reveal more.

We do know the Getz was impatient and overtook across a solid white line when it was not safe to do so.

Western Cape By-Laws allow for motorists to overtake a cyclist across a solid line when safe to do so and oncoming traffic is not endangered. In this case Duane was endangered, the three cyclists being passed were endangered and the tailgating cyclist (Stupid as he may be) was endangered by the actions of the Getz.

Pinning the cause of the accident on three cyclists smacks of facebook logic. The only law violation that can be proven here is dangerous and negligent driving by the Getz driver and either Duane or the cyclist has to make a case to get any traction on the matter. 

Lobbing grenades at roadies wont get you a DC team matjie

100% This little bit of road is so narrow and line of sight is so limited. When I encounter even a single cyclist here I don't overtake. It's way too dangerous IMO. I wait for exit of the corner and the line of sight to be clear.

 

This first pic where the yellow square is is where the gets was overtaking the cyclists. The 2nd pic where the fiesta is is pretty much where i climbed on the brakes to avoid a head on. Anyone blessed with the gift of sight can also clearly see the white line in the pic. There's no way someone can logically argue that the Getz driver isn't the cause of this.
 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Duane_Bosch

[Duane_Bosch]

In this pic you can see the the cyclist wears Oakley eyewear 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Duane_Bosch

[DieselnDust]

9 minutes ago, Duane_Bosch said:

100% This little bit of road is so narrow and line of sight is so limited. When I encounter even a single cyclist here I don't overtake. It's way too dangerous IMO. I wait for exit of the corner and the line of sight to be clear.

 

This first pic where the yellow square is is where the gets was overtaking the cyclists. The 2nd pic where the fiesta is is pretty much where i climbed on the brakes to avoid a head on.

Yeah I though it was here. This is the most dangerous stretch. I’m often descending here and drift toward the white line to avoid the drain covers that are poorly placed. Nearly every time there’s a car over the white line passing cyclists or runners . Motorists just don’t care about the danger and there is no consequence to their actions. I just try and slow right down and stay wide to avoid these imbeciles. If you’re going the other way they play chicken with you when you stay left. “Oh he’s left a gap let me squeeze through. Idiot doesn’t belong on the road anyway because he doesn’t have a license!” We al the comments on Facebook then we have the infiltrators on Bikehub..,

[DieselnDust]

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Emergency-declared-for-bike--e-bike--traffic-safety.html?soid=1102527936699&aid=N--cIRY9j5w
 

we need this kind of actio in cape tow

[Robbie Stewart]

1 hour ago, Duane_Bosch said:

100% This little bit of road is so narrow and line of sight is so limited. When I encounter even a single cyclist here I don't overtake. It's way too dangerous IMO. I wait for exit of the corner and the line of sight to be clear.

 

This first pic where the yellow square is is where the gets was overtaking the cyclists. The 2nd pic where the fiesta is is pretty much where i climbed on the brakes to avoid a head on. Anyone blessed with the gift of sight can also clearly see the white line in the pic. There's no way someone can logically argue that the Getz driver isn't the cause of this.
 

I'm keen to know which part of this section the riders felt justifies riding three abreast . . . even for overtaking. All I'm seeing is a couple of entitled fools. Some driving Getz and others riding bicycles. The one person with brains gets ridden into. Go figure.

Everytime I've ridden up that particular section I've felt exposed. Same can be said rounding the corner from Bakoven towards Clifton.

[ChrisF]

Interesting history to this section of road -

 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.chapmanspeakdrive.co.za/blog/history-of-chapman-s-peak-drive.html%23:~:text%3DIt%20was%20the%20brainchild%20of,opening%20took%20place%20in%201922.&ved=2ahUKEwjKy6L--u75AhXHQcAKHRelBgsQFnoECBAQBQ&usg=AOvVaw23w2CjSWnSUoQHQ9WS4Rq_

Edited August 30, 2022 by ChrisF

[capediver]

That's easily one of the worst corners climbing out of Hout Bay, there's nowhere to go even if you are in single file and guys driving up gun it in their enthusiasm to get up onto the drive itself....add the wind on most occasions and yip, makes for nervous climbing to get round there...

While we on the subject, and not to beat a dead horse RE Chappies, walkers, dogs, pedestrians, buses, locals, NHoekers, Hout Bay citizens, I'd like to throw in that special breed of sportspersons/people, the runners who run from Noordhoek side on the wrong side of the road...shoie, I've nearly lost my marbles on more than one occasion....fortunately have never had to unwrap one of them from my handlebars (even tho they are flared (but only just) and wrapped in camel leather and do tend to be wider than regular drops)...tap on wood!

Edited August 30, 2022 by capediver

[DieselnDust]

Ascending that section I ride in the middle of the corner. If I dot drivers squeeze into the curb. So if those riders were 3 abreast they did the right thing for their safety

[porqui]

Question  ????

What happens when as a cyclist you are the cause of an accident - you are liable.

Who has insurance as a cyclist that would cover the claims ???

(Your motor vehicle insures you while you are driving insured vehicle)

[DieselnDust]

Personal liability insurance 

[Supersix CT]

10 hours ago, ChrisF said:

Uhm .... ja ....

 

LOTS of wrongs in this story ....

 

As for the cyclists .... There ARE roadmarkings along this road .....

 

There is also a 20km/h speed limit... 

 

I am sure if the drivers were sticking to the speed limit, they would not worry about the cyclists doing 27km/h up and 45km/h down Chappies.

[Duane_Bosch]

12 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

Ascending that section I ride in the middle of the corner. If I dot drivers squeeze into the curb. So if those riders were 3 abreast they did the right thing for their safety

Leaving Camps just before bootleggers there's a tight lefthander where I do the same. I make sure I occupy the corner so some genius in his chrome pink merc doesn't use me as the apex.

I live in Scott Estate so in future I think the wifey and I will join chappies at Military road to avoid that bit. We also have a route through the burbs of Fishhoek to avoid Kommetjie road. It jumps in at the first church on the jesus belt, runs past the cricket club, past the School, Past the fire brigade, Over main, pops out just after the circle.

We also have a hard rule that we have to clear chappies before 8.30. We've had that rule in place for a long time. primarily to avoid the busses. Coming back the rule is we have to clear Massi before 11. That's to avoid the mayhem that is massi but also to avoid the wannabe boy racers on chappies who use Black Label as a sports drink and smoke bongs to clear the mind.

And we have a route through Milkwood park to avoid those 2 horrible intersections close to Long Beach mall.

Edited August 31, 2022 by Duane_Bosch

[dave303e]

13 hours ago, capediver said:

That's easily one of the worst corners climbing out of Hout Bay, there's nowhere to go even if you are in single file and guys driving up gun it in their enthusiasm to get up onto the drive itself....add the wind on most occasions and yip, makes for nervous climbing to get round there...

While we on the subject, and not to beat a dead horse RE Chappies, walkers, dogs, pedestrians, buses, locals, NHoekers, Hout Bay citizens, I'd like to throw in that special breed of sportspersons/people, the runners who run from Noordhoek side on the wrong side of the road...shoie, I've nearly lost my marbles on more than one occasion....fortunately have never had to unwrap one of them from my handlebars (even tho they are flared (but only just) and wrapped in camel leather and do tend to be wider than regular drops)...tap on wood!

Define the 'wrong' side of the road? Left or right side?

 

My2c on the entire thing- much like the cradle, the spruit and other popular riding places- avoid them like the plague on weekends. If the cyclists and runners or dog walkers don't irritate you, someone in a car will. So you may as well go find a quiet spot to enjoy some time on your bike or run...

[Duane_Bosch]

Just now, dave303e said:

Define the 'wrong' side of the road? Left or right side?

Runners and pedestrians are not allowed beyond the top lookout going towards Noordhoek and they are not allowed beyond where the shark spotters are from the Noordhoek side.