Underachiever Posted February 19, 2018 Share So here is a question - Frosty touched on it - what would the majority of cyclists actually want the CSA to do? Cut, cut, cut... Interesting suggestion. We just had the Ride for Sight yesterday. The majority of cyclists I saw were all fun riders - not the racing snake type fun rider, but the slower crowd. The real weekend warriors. I would guess all they want is a safe, good value for money race, with an easy registration process. Easy to get to the race venue, safe parking, easy to get out. Perhaps a medal, a cold coke after the race, perhaps a social club environment? The rest they probably don't care about. scotty, Eddy Gordo, Skinnyone and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted February 19, 2018 Share I think you're missing the point. It's just a sad state of affairs that it has come to a point where the riders have to pay for their own jerseys.I'm well versed in the sad state that is CSA's financial affairs... but not sure why we need to keep beating this drum about things they can't pay for... maybe we should write up a massive long list and just get it out of the way There's an awful lot of stuff you can't pay for when you don't have money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napalm Posted February 19, 2018 Share I'm well versed in the sad state that is CSA's financial affairs... but not sure why we need to keep beating this drum about things they can't pay for... maybe we should write up a massive long list and just get it out of the way There's an awful lot of stuff you can't pay for when you don't have money... Perhaps. But the fact that they're willing to pay guys half a million or million per year, and then plead poverty so that the national champs have to buy their own jerseys stinks to high heaven. Danger Dassie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meezo Posted February 19, 2018 Share https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/172476-help-get-me-to-tour-de-taiwanuci-21/ http://www.proquest.co.za/profiles/campaign_info/154 Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted February 19, 2018 Share Perhaps. But the fact that they're willing to pay guys half a million or million per year, and then plead poverty so that the national champs have to buy their own jerseys stinks to high heaven.If this is true then it all needs to come out... but where do you get these figures from?Who decides the salaries? Are they market related etc Transparency is probably most peoples biggest issue with CSA - hopefully there is going to be some clarity in that regard heading forward. Underachiever and Skinnyone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyone Posted February 19, 2018 Share Interesting suggestion. We just had the Ride for Sight yesterday. The majority of cyclists I saw were all fun riders - not the racing snake type fun rider, but the slower crowd. The real weekend warriors. I would guess all they want is a safe, good value for money race, with an easy registration process. Easy to get to the race venue, safe parking, easy to get out. Perhaps a medal, a cold coke after the race, perhaps a social club environment? The rest they probably don't care about.I agree 100% the majority of those guys wouldn't even know that CSA exists nor that to hold the event they are at the organizer has to pay affiliation fees to the CSA... In my mind you have separate racing cats like Spinnekop suggests and let the average joe (like myself) just enjoy the event without the admin of having to have a license etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American Flyers Posted February 19, 2018 Share I feel that the people who have passion for cycling and not try make money from CSA. Cut their salary, rather as hobby. - Show us what did they spent per year. - Show us who sponsored CSA. - Show us where did they get money from. - Select good riders for Games, etc. - Bring back Giro race, Rapport Tour etc - Go out and contact companies to bring sponsors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 19, 2018 Share Personally I do not have an issue with a person earning a market related salary as long as that person is adding more value than they are costing CSA. A well paid and exceptional person steering the CSA ship will do far better than calling in the ships cook to steer the vessel ... if you get my drift. Skinnyone and ians H2Sport 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted February 19, 2018 Share I feel that the people who have passion for cycling and not try make money from CSA. Cut their salary, rather as hobby. - Show us what did they spent per year.- Show us who sponsored CSA.- Show us where did they get money from.- Select good riders for Games, etc.- Bring back Giro race, Rapport Tour etc- Go out and contact companies to bring sponsorsRunning the CSA is a full time job. To get a competent person in charge, you need to pay a market related salary. It cannot be run as a hobby, it is way too big. Andrew Steer, Skubarra, Skinnyone and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted February 19, 2018 Share Running the CSA is a full time job. To get a competent person in charge, you need to pay a market related salary. It cannot be run as a hobby, it is way too big. I agree, as with everything in life, you get what you pay for... Not to muddy the argument but I feel the same apply to people criticizing PPA spending lots of money on salaries Pure Savage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted February 19, 2018 Share Running the CSA is a full time job. To get a competent person in charge, you need to pay a market related salary. It cannot be run as a hobby, it is way too big.And as a full time job whoever they are.... surely as part of that job you would like to interact with cyclists? With the Bikehub being the social platform that most cyclist can relate to, discuss current and potential problems and to which CSA are fully aware of..... I wonder why there is NO ONE FROM CSA on this forum to actually interact with cyclist who they are supposedly representing??? That in itself speaks volumes for me in that CSA representatives are only interested in themselves and not in the community they supposedly represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkie 2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Plenty models around the world who are run successfully can be copied. to get a main sponsor behind CSA surely can not be difficult with the amount of events every weekend and the exposure available. We see this at every event we attend in the UK with British Cycling, even though the HSBC is only the sponsor of British Cycling both the event sponsor and HSBC get exposure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napalm Posted February 19, 2018 Share And somehow the person in charge of procuring sponsorship couldn't find a single one in 4 years. Danger Dassie, Skinnyone and Underachiever 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sias Posted February 19, 2018 Share Running the CSA is a full time job. To get a competent person in charge, you need to pay a market related salary. It cannot be run as a hobby, it is way too big.Only for the top structure. The rest - exco, province, regional etc. - do it voluntarily, even paying for the convention and AGM from their own pockets... Pulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyone Posted February 19, 2018 Share Exactly - however no sponsor is going to put in money if there is no transparency as to what the money is being utilized for... Pulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyone Posted February 19, 2018 Share So here is a question, in true transformation, what would the opinion be of a female CSA president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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