Mudsimus Posted April 14, 2021 Share There is always an excuse.But never a good one. BigDL and Pure Savage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted April 14, 2021 Share There is always an excuse. I recall David George owned up, didn't make any difference to anything so I guess you might as well go for that excuse when you get caught? BigDL and Gen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted April 14, 2021 Share But never a good one......... gel capsules...... I beg to differ!!!! Jakkals., eddy, BigDL and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudsimus Posted April 14, 2021 Share ........ gel capsules...... I beg to differ!!!! Touche. My incompetent pharmacist contaminates my meds all the time. avatar, BigDL, Vetplant and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudsimus Posted April 14, 2021 Share . Edited April 14, 2021 by Mudsimus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballingCyclist Posted April 14, 2021 Share I recall David George owned up, didn't make any difference to anything He now owns a bike shop who stock mainly the brand another very well known doper used to ride aswell. Oh and don't forget, his bike shop is supported weekly by PPA as that is where they host their post ride coffees. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openmind Posted April 14, 2021 Share He now owns a bike shop who stock mainly the brand another very well known doper used to ride aswell. Oh and don't forget, his bike shop is supported weekly by PPA as that is where they host their post ride coffees.Must he be punished forever? It’s a decent bike shop with good service and great coffee. Move on man, his infringements were more than a decade ago. DieselnDust, Job, BigDL and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted April 14, 2021 Share He now owns a bike shop who stock mainly the brand another very well known doper used to ride aswell. Oh and don't forget, his bike shop is supported weekly by PPA as that is where they host their post ride coffees.Davey rode with Lance at Postal Service didn't he? 1999/2000 ish Makes sense. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furbz Posted April 14, 2021 Share lets look on the positive side they are catching dirty athletes - and the punishment is harsh enough to hopefully scare other would be dopers to stay clean i say great job and keep up the good work gtr1, peetwindhoek, Jewbacca and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Must he be punished forever? It’s a decent bike shop with good service and great coffee. Move on man, his infringements were more than a decade ago.Well, the guys here would gladly have Lance imprisoned, or flogged, or shot, so... FootballingCyclist and DieselnDust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted April 14, 2021 Share I recall David George owned up, didn't make any difference to anything so I guess you might as well go for that excuse when you get caught?Yes he did, as illustrated above, and the fact that his coming clean (da dam tish) comes up each time, leads me to believe that honesty is revered. But.... if doesn’t make any difference, rather go for the truth? peetwindhoek, Showtime, Jewbacca and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattnow Posted April 14, 2021 Share lets look on the positive side they are catching dirty athletes - and the punishment is harsh enough to hopefully scare other would be dopers to stay clean i say great job and keep up the good work Not entirely correct, if it wasnt for the tip off she would still be racing. So yes they conducted the test when they were "told" to. many have been bust, it will not scare off anyone who is doping... the only positive in this matter was her test result... BigDL, Patchelicious, Gen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted April 14, 2021 Share lets look on the positive side they are catching dirty athletes - and the punishment is harsh enough to hopefully scare other would be dopers to stay clean i say great job and keep up the good workAh but is it? Or is it only reactive?Because on balance it seems people only care about doping when there is a press release and/or headline sanctioning an athlete.Ideally we would see a robust investigation and criminal prosecution of those supplying the product. As well as punisment for the users. The reality unfortunately is that SAIDS are under resourced and funded for this. And the SIU have larger priorities, so something like sports doping falls low on the priority scale. Unless there is a more serious crime to hang it onto. Take the concern on widespread doping abuse in school sports for years, especially rugby. Anabolics is a specific concern for SAIDS. It should warrant a proper criminal investigation. https://www.news24.com/health24/Fitness/News/SA-schoolboys-taking-steroids-20120721 Also at some point we need to look at ourselves and the culture of how success is measured. SAIDS expresses deep concern over a multiple steroid test result from a 15-year old school boyhttps://drugfreesport.org.za/saids-expresses-deep-concern-over-a-multiple-steroid-test-result-from-a-15-year-old-schoolboy/ 1 584 athletes tested during 2018/19 – SAIDS Annual Report publishedhttp://drugfreesport.org.za/1-584-athletes-tested-during-2018-19-saids-annual-report-published/ Jewbacca and Eldron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted April 14, 2021 Share Must he be punished forever? It’s a decent bike shop with good service and great coffee. Move on man, his infringements were more than a decade ago.What about those people's cycling careers he ended due to his doping? That is still on going as they did not get pro contracts, sponsorships, ability to make name for oneself and the benefits that come with that. I am just saying its not a one off and once caught ends. As mentioned by Danger Dassie, dopers should rat out their suppliers if they actually cared or wanted to be part of the cycling community. If one was actually sorry and want to return to the sport, then need to provide the supplier details and those assisted in the doping. Andrew Steer, Jewbacca, Bankie99 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Posted April 14, 2021 Share ........ gel capsules...... I beg to differ!!!! Exactly. When there is enough money to be made or lost the excuses get a lot more complicated and difficult to refute. The same way it's more difficult to get Markus Jooste behind bars than a petty thief who stole a TV. Edited April 14, 2021 by Showtime jdwet1980 and Jewbacca 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted April 14, 2021 Share Ah but is it? Or is it only reactive?Because on balance it seems people only care about doping when there is a press release and/or headline sanctioning an athlete.Ideally we would see a robust investigation and criminal prosecution of those supplying the product. As well as punisment for the users. The reality unfortunately is that SAIDS are under resourced and funded for this. And the SIU have larger priorities, so something like sports doping falls low on the priority scale. Unless there is a more serious crime to hang it onto. Take the concern on widespread doping abuse in school sports for years, especially rugby. Anabolics is a specific concern for SAIDS. It should warrant a proper criminal investigation. https://www.news24.com/health24/Fitness/News/SA-schoolboys-taking-steroids-20120721 Also at some point we need to look at ourselves and the culture of how success is measured. SAIDS expresses deep concern over a multiple steroid test result from a 15-year old school boyhttps://drugfreesport.org.za/saids-expresses-deep-concern-over-a-multiple-steroid-test-result-from-a-15-year-old-schoolboy/ 1 584 athletes tested during 2018/19 – SAIDS Annual Report publishedhttp://drugfreesport.org.za/1-584-athletes-tested-during-2018-19-saids-annual-report-published/Maybe the best way would be to have life time ban for all doping infringements unless provide all details of purchases and those that assisted with providing the dope. Therefore if one wants to return to the sport they actually have to do something to make the sport cleaner. Provide doctors name that prescribed the meds, where bought the meds from etc. wattnow, Andrew Steer, BigDL and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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