Nic Dlamini's arm broken by Table Mountain rangers

[eddy]

So Donovan was there from the beginning of the incident? And you know this how? Were you there too? Or are you basing your opinion on his words? Dumb post? Well sorry that you have all the information and I don't. Clearly you know everything. You must immediately go and tell all your knowledge of the entire incident. Don't forget to tell the media too. Sure they will suck it all up.

 

 

 

You seem to think that there is more to the story than has been disclosed by Donovan, I'm sure there is but nothing I can imagine could have  been so egregious that Dlamini was handled like this.

 

 

I'm really interested in what you think could have happened to justify their actions ?

 

PS, By preventing Donovan from filming the assault, the warden was acting outside the law. There is no need for him to "ask for permission" to record the insident. So if nothing else, that is evidence of the ranger's abuse of power.

[Jewbacca]

All I'm going to add to this is that I've been caught by sanparks sleeping on the mountain, running on the mountain at night, riding at night, riding some 'trails' I shouldn't and once I was in Silvermine and had left my card at home and entered via ou wa pad.

 

Every time I have stopped, put my hands up, apologised and admitted I was in the wrong.

 

Never once have they been aggressive. A bit lippy, yes, but if your job was to stop people riding/running/sleeping where they aren't meant to and you catch people doing it wilfully, then I suppose being a bit lippy is ok.

 

I wouldn't dream of not stopping when they asked. They are the rangers. They could be asking me to stop because dangerous men have been spotted or there is an incident I need to avoid. Also, it's their job.

 

I definitely don't condone the rough handling, but yeah, I'm not going to start calling for heads to roll or join the OUTRAGE OUTRAGE.

 

This is a classic case of 'both are probably in the wrong and could have handled the situation WAY better than they did'.. Who is MORE wrong is probably going to be the more poignant question.

 

But flay me, whatever. I don't think Nic Dlamini is an innocent victim. I kind of see the situation as tragic because it's blown up emotionally and the cycling community has dived in pitch forks out baying for heads to roll without actually knowing the whole story.

 

OUTRAGE OUTRAGE

[CogitoErgoSum]

i never said that, nor implied it. that's whole your interpretation,and i'm saynig it's not a correct reading.

 

What i am saying is there is likely more to this story than what the a video shows, and there has to be a proper accounting for all aspects. To prevent another incorrect assumption, I wouldn't weight them equally, but they are all important.

But at this point, it seems the emotions are centered around just one aspect of things. I personally prefer an appreciation of all truths of the matter, not just the more emotively charged aspects.

So there has to be a justification for what they did to him? So he didn't have a pass/permit with him... so what... how the hell can anyone justify their actions?

 

They used racial profiling (apart from him not having a pass) to target him. A black man on an expensive bike racing downhill on his way out of the park surely must be a thug...

[Slowbee]

All I'm going to add to this is that I've been caught by sanparks sleeping on the mountain, running on the mountain at night, riding at night, riding some 'trails' I shouldn't and once I was in Silvermine and had left my card at home and entered via ou wa pad.

 

Every time I have stopped, put my hands up, apologised and admitted I was in the wrong.

 

Never once have they been aggressive. A bit lippy, yes, but if your job was to stop people riding/running/sleeping where they aren't meant to and you catch people doing it wilfully, then I suppose being a bit lippy is ok.

 

I wouldn't dream of not stopping when they asked. They are the rangers. They could be asking me to stop because dangerous men have been spotted or there is an incident I need to avoid. Also, it's their job.

 

I definitely don't condone the rough handling, but yeah, I'm not going to start calling for heads to roll or join the OUTRAGE OUTRAGE.

 

This is a classic case of 'both are probably in the wrong and could have handled the situation WAY better than they did'.. Who is MORE wrong is probably going to be the more poignant question.

 

But flay me, whatever. I don't think Nic Dlamini is an innocent victim. I kind of see the situation as tragic because it's blown up emotionally and the cycling community has dived in pitch forks out baying for heads to roll without actually knowing the whole story.

 

OUTRAGE OUTRAGE

Your logic means we should suspend your account until next year ... oh wait that is next week. No use in doing that.

 

As I said earlier (when I was asked about my turkey lunch), there will be no winners here.

[Jewbacca]

Your logic means we should suspend your account until next year ... oh wait that is next week. No use in doing that.

 

As I said earlier (when I was asked about my turkey lunch), there will be no winners here.

How so?

 

My logic says that people generally don't get riled up for nothing and that the emotionally charged reporting and outrage is very one sided.

 

The cycling community has made a stand without knowing what led up to the video. Don arrived AFTER they had already 'stopped' Nic.

 

I agree, there are no winners here, but I really do believe both parties are in the wrong and neither is in the right.

 

Least wrong? Less vio;ent? 

 

I wouldn't put my stakes in that ground.

 

One doesn't have to pick a side through association. I will watch this outrage with a very heavy heart knowing that a simple stop, show of card or apology for not having one could have stopped this whole thing from ever happening.

[babse]

So there has to be a justification for what they did to him? So he didn't have a pass/permit with him... so what... how the hell can anyone justify their actions?

 

Im thinking the same with all these "lets wait for the full story" lines... Wth would justify handling him in the manner with absolutely no resistance on his side???

What if he swore at them? Would this then be okay?

No1 said he didn't do any wrong, but how much if any provoking could Nic have done to deserve that kind of assault?

No matter what he did or said, these officials SHOULD of handled this better, they didn't and he paid the price.

These officials need to be taken to task for their negligence in handling the situation!!!

[Mamil]

The point is that people in authority have used an unjustifiable level of force in response to an incident. The only possible justification for their actions would be if dlamini physically attacked them.

 

The outrage is in response to outrageous behaviour.

 

 

How so?

 

My logic says that people generally don't get riled up for nothing and that the emotionally charged reporting and outrage is very one sided.

 

The cycling community has made a stand without knowing what led up to the video. Don arrived AFTER they had already 'stopped' Nic.

 

I agree, there are no winners here, but I really do believe both parties are in the wrong and neither is in the right.

 

Least wrong? Less vio;ent?

 

I wouldn't put my stakes in that ground.

 

One doesn't have to pick a side through association. I will watch this outrage with a very heavy heart knowing that a simple stop, show of card or apology for not having one could have stopped this whole thing from ever happening.

[Grease_Monkey]

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Edited December 27, 2019 by Grease_Monkey

[Slowbee]

How so?

 

My logic says that people generally don't get riled up for nothing and that the emotionally charged reporting and outrage is very one sided.

 

The cycling community has made a stand without knowing what led up to the video. Don arrived AFTER they had already 'stopped' Nic.

 

I agree, there are no winners here, but I really do believe both parties are in the wrong and neither is in the right.

 

Least wrong? Less vio;ent? 

 

I wouldn't put my stakes in that ground.

 

One doesn't have to pick a side through association. I will watch this outrage with a very heavy heart knowing that a simple stop, show of card or apology for not having one could have stopped this whole thing from ever happening.

no man Jewie ... those mince pies got to your brain ... ok, maybe mine, I did not type in comic sans.

[Vetplant]

The actions of this thug who broke Nic's arm will have direct consequences to the fortunes of NTT and Nic specifically. It is not just a weekend warrior who can't ride anymore, it directly impacts someone's livelyhood.

 

THIS they need to account for and with the minister suspending them all we are well on our way to getting to the bottom of this.

 

But what pisses me off is that the rangers themselves will not see any direct consequences for their excessive force. They will be on paid leave, with maybe a written warning at the end of this with the department paying for damages.

 

Yes I am picking sides before all the facts are on the table and I'll happily eat humble pie if it turns out that Nic attacked the ranger with some Tai-kwando in his road cleats... but I seriously doubt it.

 

This is deserving of the outrage that is unfolding.

 

Our society needs less thuggery, not more.

[DJR]

...........Our society needs less thuggery, not more.

I'm with you on this one. 

 

We also need more obedience to the law.

[Shebeen]

Cycling's equivalent of Siya Kolisi, and this is how he finally makes the mainstream news.

 

Disappointing all round.

[King_Crispy]

All I'm going to add to this is that I've been caught by sanparks sleeping on the mountain, running on the mountain at night, riding at night, riding some 'trails' I shouldn't and once I was in Silvermine and had left my card at home and entered via ou wa pad.

 

Every time I have stopped, put my hands up, apologised and admitted I was in the wrong.

 

Never once have they been aggressive. A bit lippy, yes, but if your job was to stop people riding/running/sleeping where they aren't meant to and you catch people doing it wilfully, then I suppose being a bit lippy is ok.

 

I wouldn't dream of not stopping when they asked. They are the rangers. They could be asking me to stop because dangerous men have been spotted or there is an incident I need to avoid. Also, it's their job.

 

I definitely don't condone the rough handling, but yeah, I'm not going to start calling for heads to roll or join the OUTRAGE OUTRAGE.

 

This is a classic case of 'both are probably in the wrong and could have handled the situation WAY better than they did'.. Who is MORE wrong is probably going to be the more poignant question.

 

But flay me, whatever. I don't think Nic Dlamini is an innocent victim. I kind of see the situation as tragic because it's blown up emotionally and the cycling community has dived in pitch forks out baying for heads to roll without actually knowing the whole story.

 

OUTRAGE OUTRAGE

Jirre boet, I have to agree with you on this one.

I must be getting soft in my skull in my old age.

 

I haven't watched the video yet, been too busy reading all the BS comments by so many people.

All the outrage by the usual keyboard warriors who seem to have no concept of living in the line of danger every day. Sure it sounds like the ranger took it too far, but how did things start out? Why did Dlamini NOT stop and try talk his way out of the situation? If he had been a law-abiding citizen and stopped I'm sure the ending would have been different. He probably did the standard cyclist thing and swore or flipped the bird at the ranger.

 

Always 3 sides to a story

[Patchelicious]

Hope Nic heals up soon. The public outcry and the attention of the minister and premier means the ranger will likely be punished and for all too see.

 

Maybe the ranger just wanted to be a “boytjie”...

Edited December 27, 2019 by Patchelicious

[Oufy MTB (Roadie)]

Also - I've met Nic Dlamini (not that he'd remember - I smiled a greeting at him in a bike shop) - he is hardly a large and intimidating character - about 5'8" and 64kg in his bibs I'd estimate.

 

5'8'' translate into Afrikaans please

[Pure Savage]

I see all from Sanparks that are involved have been suspended. Probably did this to the person with the most pull in SA. They should re deploy sanparks to the cape flats to sort out the gangsters as they have solved all the murder and robbery on the mountain.