Cape Town Cycle Tour 2021

[Skubarra]

3 minutes ago, Karman de Lange said:

Yes, that what i'm saying ... the reality is gun to mat.. but they always advertise Mat to Mat .. like they doing now again.

I'm not going to go dig through  years of emails .. but I do know its always been said that how it suppose to work (mat to mat) and never does and then people always upset afterwords here on bikehub about it.

i've only done 6 or something.. so still noob

 

Likely you are mistaken on this one because it never works like this for any road cycle race, not just the CTCT. Starting mat always have been just to register that you actually crossed the starting line. Would create massive confusion in the placings at finish if people in the same group have different starting times (when people actually "race")

 

[Karman de Lange]

9 minutes ago, Skubarra said:

Likely you are mistaken on this one because it never works like this for any road cycle race, not just the CTCT. Starting mat always have been just to register that you actually crossed the starting line. Would create massive confusion in the placings at finish if people in the same group have different starting times (when people actually "race")

 

My point was/is... they again advertised that it will be MAT to MAT this year with the rolling starts.   but in reality it will most likely be gun to mat like its always been.  they always advertise mat to mat, but it never is.   

 

 

NEW START PROCEDURE

Please take note of the new start procedure that will be implemented at this year’s Cape Town Cycle Tour.

When you arrive at the Start Precinct on Sunday you will need to have planned your route to your allocated Transition Area carefully. There are 6 Transition Areas that riders will enter before heading down to the start line and timing mats for a rolling start.

The letters A, B, C, D, E or F on your race number will indicate your Transition Area.

Your time will only start once you have crossed the actual timing mat marked by the Garmin Squad shortly after the start arch.

 

 

EDIT:

link to 2018 ctct with same issue where was advertised mat to mat

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Karman de Lange

[Skubarra]

1 minute ago, Karman de Lange said:

My point was/is... they again advertised that it will be MAT to MAT this year with the rolling starts.   but in reality it will most likely be gun to mat like its always been.  they always advertise mat to mat, but it never is.   

Usually they do record when you cross the starting mat to check which group you started in which is maybe where your mat to mat confusion comes in?

But they have been quite specific that this year timing will be mat to mat for everybody 1A and below in order to spread out the cyclists, will be very unfair to a whole bunch of people if for some reason they don't follow through on that.

[FootballingCyclist]

5 minutes ago, Karman de Lange said:

My point was/is... they again advertised that it will be MAT to MAT this year with the rolling starts.   but in reality it will most likely be gun to mat like its always been.  they always advertise mat to mat, but it never is.   

 

 

NEW START PROCEDURE

Please take note of the new start procedure that will be implemented at this year’s Cape Town Cycle Tour.

When you arrive at the Start Precinct on Sunday you will need to have planned your route to your allocated Transition Area carefully. There are 6 Transition Areas that riders will enter before heading down to the start line and timing mats for a rolling start.

The letters A, B, C, D, E or F on your race number will indicate your Transition Area.

Your time will only start once you have crossed the actual timing mat marked by the Garmin Squad shortly after the start arch.

This year with rolling starts for the seeded groups, I reckon it will be run as above, Mat to mat, Just like the PPA Sportive was done at Simonsvlei

[Karman de Lange]

Just now, Skubarra said:

Usually they do record when you cross the starting mat to check which group you started in which is maybe where your mat to mat confusion comes in?

But they have been quite specific that this year timing will be mat to mat for everybody 1A and below in order to spread out the cyclists, will be very unfair to a whole bunch of people if for some reason they don't follow through on that.

see my edit above ..  The always say its neutral zone till you cross the mats...    then your time starts.. 

 

but its semantics..    only people that missed sub3 will have issue with it.

[Skubarra]

2 minutes ago, Karman de Lange said:

see my edit above ..  The always say its neutral zone till you cross the mats...    then your time starts.. 

 

but its semantics..    only people that missed sub3 will have issue with it.

I now remember that neutral zone story, recall that it did create some confusion.

[Pure Savage]

10 minutes ago, Skubarra said:

Usually they do record when you cross the starting mat to check which group you started in which is maybe where your mat to mat confusion comes in?

But they have been quite specific that this year timing will be mat to mat for everybody 1A and below in order to spread out the cyclists, will be very unfair to a whole bunch of people if for some reason they don't follow through on that.

Will be the first time seeing cyclists being so polite, letting the group start ahead of them and being the last person to roll over the matt, 60 seconds after the first person and sitting on the back till the M3! ha ha

 

[Skubarra]

1 minute ago, Pure Savage said:

Will be the first time seeing cyclists being so polite, letting the group start ahead of them and being the last person to roll over the matt, 60 seconds after the first person and sitting on the back till the M3! ha ha

 

I can already see the group crashes happening just behind the timing mat as everybody tries to be the last one over the mat ???? 

[Shebeen]

33 minutes ago, Karman de Lange said:

My point was/is... they again advertised that it will be MAT to MAT this year with the rolling starts.   but in reality it will most likely be gun to mat like its always been.  they always advertise mat to mat, but it never is.   

 

 

NEW START PROCEDURE

Please take note of the new start procedure that will be implemented at this year’s Cape Town Cycle Tour.

When you arrive at the Start Precinct on Sunday you will need to have planned your route to your allocated Transition Area carefully. There are 6 Transition Areas that riders will enter before heading down to the start line and timing mats for a rolling start.

The letters A, B, C, D, E or F on your race number will indicate your Transition Area.

Your time will only start once you have crossed the actual timing mat marked by the Garmin Squad shortly after the start arch.

 

 

EDIT:

link to 2018 ctct with same issue where was advertised mat to mat

 

okee dokee. as I was saying people have been weirdly confused by it for years, and you're just confirming that. I don't think they've ever said it was mat to mat.

What the Hoopla guy (RIP) says in the start chute is not the official rules.

 

anyway enough now, has anyone checked the weather forecast update?

 

 

[Mamil]

Both ends expressing their dissatisfaction with something since early this morning. #overshare #preraceweightloss

I've done 4 ctct and I've always understood it as gun to mat. 

 

[bleedToWin]

3 hours ago, Jewbacca said:

I don't see why it's more difficult to do just because you're faster. 'Elite' in SA is fun rider in Europe. It's just a matter of leaving your ego at home, enjoying the day and being grateful there is an event. Also, you 'choose' to see it as a race. One small change of perspective and BOOM! It's an event with a rolling start and closed roads on an EPIC day! Voila!

Sak Sarel. That's a low blow to some very talented riders. Doing this course in 2h30 takes a lot. Add to that constant attacks and counter attacks and it's something that deserves a little respect.

No-one in the Elite bunches are choosing to see this as a race. For those bunches it is a race. That is what the organisers are hosting. There will be a winner in each and they will be justly hailed as hero's. If not by you then at least by the greater majority of us.

[Jewbacca]

1 minute ago, bleedToWin said:

Sak Sarel. That's a low blow to some very talented riders. Doing this course in 2h30 takes a lot. Add to that constant attacks and counter attacks and it's something that deserves a little respect.

No-one in the Elite bunches are choosing to see this as a race. For those bunches it is a race. That is what the organisers are hosting. There will be a winner in each and they will be justly hailed as hero's. If not by you then at least by the greater majority of us.

Unfortunately it's not an emotional response. It's the truth. The standard of racing in SA is low. There is no way around that unfortunately. 

I also have no issue with people choosing to race. My issue is more with the same people complaining about the same thing over and over despite knowing full well it won't change NOR will that 35 seconds in a non pro peleton be the difference between winning or losing the race. That ship goes with the non rolling start group.

The rest are just fighting for a position that doesn't actually matter. So complaining about the rolling start also doesn't matter. 

The fact that you choose to be a dedicated amateur doesn't mean you aren't just that and will be treated like all the other amateurs.

In reality the average joes, the slow chonks and hackers make up the majority of the race entries, so they are the real heroes in this as their 17000 of the 18000 entries keep the event going. 

Anyway, I've had enough of this discussion. I'm hitting registration on Thursday, will ride in to the start on Sunday from Muizenberg and hopefully see some of you along the route. Look for the guy on a BMX in a check shirt. I accept pocket tows and old skool track whips along the flats!

To those racing, hopefully you don't get caught up in any crashes.

Good luck and remember to put your used gel packaging back in your pocket. The litter later on is shocking and we can all do our bit. 

['Dale]

#minslapies 

[MORNE]

2 hours ago, Jewbacca said:

Unfortunately it's not an emotional response. It's the truth. The standard of racing in SA is low. There is no way around that unfortunately. 

I also have no issue with people choosing to race. My issue is more with the same people complaining about the same thing over and over despite knowing full well it won't change NOR will that 35 seconds in a non pro peleton be the difference between winning or losing the race. That ship goes with the non rolling start group.

The rest are just fighting for a position that doesn't actually matter. So complaining about the rolling start also doesn't matter. 

The fact that you choose to be a dedicated amateur doesn't mean you aren't just that and will be treated like all the other amateurs.

In reality the average joes, the slow chonks and hackers make up the majority of the race entries, so they are the real heroes in this as their 17000 of the 18000 entries keep the event going. 

Anyway, I've had enough of this discussion. I'm hitting registration on Thursday, will ride in to the start on Sunday from Muizenberg and hopefully see some of you along the route. Look for the guy on a BMX in a check shirt. I accept pocket tows and old skool track whips along the flats!

To those racing, hopefully you don't get caught up in any crashes.

Good luck and remember to put your used gel packaging back in your pocket. The litter later on is shocking and we can all do our bit. 

You are doing it on the 20” bike aren't you? thats not a bmx! Thats a small person’s normal bicycle! ????

ps- ive never seen a ‘pro’ cyclist in any of the fun rides ive taken part in. only mildly competitive wannabes ????

Edited October 5, 2021 by MORNE

[Jewbacca]

10 hours ago, MORNE said:

You are doing it on the 20” bike aren't you? thats not a bmx! Thats a small person’s normal bicycle! ????

ps- ive never seen a ‘pro’ cyclist in any of the fun rides ive taken part in. only mildly competitive wannabes ????

Lance Armstrong rode the CTCT bro!

[Guest]

I think the line up on the mat should be bike specific so the better riders can get a better time e.g.

1. First on the mat should be Specialised bikes - well, because they special

2. Second line is all the Italian brands like Pina, Bianchi etc, because they paid a lot of money for those bikes

3. Any french bike because of Julien and finishing on a french bike is an achievement in itself

4. Then all the Scott, cannondale riders. Those guys would really like a chance at winning sometime

5. I'm putting Canyon on the fith row because they have so much potential

6. This row is for Merida, Fuji etc. Those bikes are like redneck cousins who should'nt really be on the same road at the same time as the others but we cant really exclude them.

7. BMC because they Swiss and are neutral. They should not be racing but sweep at the back.

 

Any other brand should be among the MTB riders. Good luck to them.

 

Good luck to all. Hope you all cross that mat safely